Damn you, level 3

[mcpherzen]

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Raise to 3 BB. Or limp if you really dislike folding. Folding is a bad play, and should only be done if you truly have no postflop skill when less than 9 handed.

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You can have all the post-flop skill in the world and you will still be putting yourself in a pretty bad position if you raise or limp with this hand and get called by anyone. The problem is you don't have enough chips to "play poker" post-flop at this level. Say you raise to $150 and get called by only the BB. That puts $325 in the pot and you have $500 left. If you miss on the flop and he stop-and-go's you, you can't call. If the flop is A-high and he bets the pot at you, are you ahead? If he checks the flop and you bet another $150, and then he check-raises you all-in, do you know where you are, even if the flop is J-high?

Without a premium hand (AA, KK, QQ (kinda), AK, or AQ (kinda)), you're pretty much in jail here. With only 13 big blinds left in your stack, a non-premium hand's best play is the push here, hoping to steal the blinds but with some decent high-card value if it does get called. There just aren't enough chips to play post-flop. However, I personally believe it is too early to be doing too much pushing here with only $75 in blinds out there to be won. IMO, you'd be much better off mucking this and waiting for a better opportunity when the blinds go to $50/$100. Notice I did NOT say wait for a better hand...a better opportunity might be a level 4 hand folded to you in the cutoff and you push with 6BB and any 2 cards. And, of course, by being patient here and folding, you buy yourself a couple more hands to actually wake up with a premium hand that you can try to get paid.

--mcpherzen

[Cheeseweasel]

Pushing is an EV+ play.

[zaphod]

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Raise to 3 BB. Or limp if you really dislike folding. Folding is a bad play, and should only be done if you truly have no postflop skill when less than 9 handed.

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You can have all the post-flop skill in the world and you will still be putting yourself in a pretty bad position if you raise or limp with this hand and get called by anyone. The problem is you don't have enough chips to "play poker" post-flop at this level. Say you raise to $150 and get called by only the BB. That puts $325 in the pot and you have $500 left. If you miss on the flop and he stop-and-go's you, you can't call. If the flop is A-high and he bets the pot at you, are you ahead? If he checks the flop and you bet another $150, and then he check-raises you all-in, do you know where you are, even if the flop is J-high?

Without a premium hand (AA, KK, QQ (kinda), AK, or AQ (kinda)), you're pretty much in jail here. With only 13 big blinds left in your stack, a non-premium hand's best play is the push here, hoping to steal the blinds but with some decent high-card value if it does get called. There just aren't enough chips to play post-flop. However, I personally believe it is too early to be doing too much pushing here with only $75 in blinds out there to be won. IMO, you'd be much better off mucking this and waiting for a better opportunity when the blinds go to $50/$100. Notice I did NOT say wait for a better hand...a better opportunity might be a level 4 hand folded to you in the cutoff and you push with 6BB and any 2 cards. And, of course, by being patient here and folding, you buy yourself a couple more hands to actually wake up with a premium hand that you can try to get paid.

--mcpherzen

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I agree with you 100%. Having sligthly above 10 BB is tricky. My standard raise at this level has been 175, but that leaves you with all those problems mentioned here on the flop. So i have been starting to question wheter pushing is a better move.Another problem is when somebody reraises you all in preflop. I would mostly fold, but i would feel bad about it.

About the same problems occur when you have 1100-1300 chips at level 4 with blinds at 50-100, raising to 300 or so leaves hard descisons on the flop.

[rachelwxm]

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Raise to 3 BB. Or limp if you really dislike folding. Folding is a bad play, and should only be done if you truly have no postflop skill when less than 9 handed.

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You can have all the post-flop skill in the world and you will still be putting yourself in a pretty bad position if you raise or limp with this hand and get called by anyone. The problem is you don't have enough chips to "play poker" post-flop at this level. Say you raise to $150 and get called by only the BB. That puts $325 in the pot and you have $500 left. If you miss on the flop and he stop-and-go's you, you can't call. If the flop is A-high and he bets the pot at you, are you ahead? If he checks the flop and you bet another $150, and then he check-raises you all-in, do you know where you are, even if the flop is J-high?

Without a premium hand (AA, KK, QQ (kinda), AK, or AQ (kinda)), you're pretty much in jail here. With only 13 big blinds left in your stack, a non-premium hand's best play is the push here, hoping to steal the blinds but with some decent high-card value if it does get called. There just aren't enough chips to play post-flop. However, I personally believe it is too early to be doing too much pushing here with only $75 in blinds out there to be won. IMO, you'd be much better off mucking this and waiting for a better opportunity when the blinds go to $50/$100. Notice I did NOT say wait for a better hand...a better opportunity might be a level 4 hand folded to you in the cutoff and you push with 6BB and any 2 cards. And, of course, by being patient here and folding, you buy yourself a couple more hands to actually wake up with a premium hand that you can try to get paid.

--mcpherzen

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very nice. Although I don't mind limp especially people might afraid of limp monsters at this stage. As to the OP, you should read the popular thread recently. I think 6 or 8 people creates a huge difference here.