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Old 12-10-2002, 01:33 PM
Burnt Toast Burnt Toast is offline
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Default Solid play or no?

Loose Passive 2-4 Online

UTG, UTG+1 limp, I call with 10dQd, MP poster checks, SB completes, BB checks.

6c9h10c

UTG bets, fold to me, I raise, UTG calls.

6c9h10ckc

checked to me. I bet. UTG calls.

6c9h10ckc10h

checked to me, I check.

solid play or no?
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Old 12-10-2002, 01:48 PM
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I would bet the river !!!
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Old 12-10-2002, 02:02 PM
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Default Re: Solid play or no?

Hey Toast...

I like the turn bet as long as you are willing to fold to a checkraise from a typical player. That said, I'd definitely bet the river here. Worse hands will call you, specifically a K or a T with worse kicker.

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Old 12-10-2002, 02:09 PM
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Default Re: Solid play or no?

Worse hands will raise him too.
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Old 12-10-2002, 02:24 PM
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Default Re: Solid play or no?

Valid point Clark, but I don't agree. Lets look at the hand through the eyes of a typical loose-passive player. Say they have a T, which is the most obvious holding they would consider raising the river with.

Flop: I flopped top pair, so I bet. Uh-oh, I just got raised and the board is scary. I think I need to improve in order to hold up.
Turn: The flush hit, plus an overcard. The flop raiser is still betting. I check-call and hope to improve on the river.
River: Now a I have trips. I'll check-call and pray he doesn't have the flush.

Moral to the story: I don't see a loose-passive player going for a checkraise with a worse hand. Now if the player was not a typical LP low limit player, this would not be the case.

(This whole post is based on the premise that a weaker T would be the foremoest example of a worse hand that would raise our hero, but you can use the same logic to see why a K, no matter how strong, would not be a raising hand in this spot for a LP player)

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Old 12-10-2002, 02:40 PM
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Default Re: Solid play or no?

After reading your post I found myself wondering what hands you fear. To me the check call on the turn is the tell as I believe most players will bet out or check-raise a flush here (though if its really loose passive then someone might have made a small flush and feared you were raising a higher flush draw). I have found myself playing it the way you did in the past because in a loose passive game I find many players with any two suited that are then afraid to bet the flush they were hoping to hit. Were you thinking this way also? Now I find myself betting more in this situation and even reraising!
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Old 12-10-2002, 02:42 PM
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Default Re: Solid play or no?

Bet the river. All sorts of worse hands will call.

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Old 12-10-2002, 04:18 PM
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Default Re: Solid play or no?

you trip up on the river and check behind? what would you be scared of here?

if the T didnt show i can see checking behind as an option, but once the T comes, im betting

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Old 12-10-2002, 04:23 PM
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"Worse hands will raise him too"

i dont see this happening on a passive table. it wouldnt be labeled that if a player was willing to raise like that...unless this player was an exception sitting on the table, which there is no indication

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Old 12-10-2002, 04:27 PM
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Default a slight misread

once i read some other responses, i missed the flush possible on the turn.

note: separating the cards a little makes it easier to read. just a suggestion

that said, i've found passive players generally wont bet their draws, so i wouldnt fear the flush from this player. they only bet when they have something 'made'. so id still bet the river.

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