25-50 commerce.....interesting decisions on all streets.

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with your reads and the way the hand went down, I think you really need to go for the CR on the river.

MP is most likely going to bet his prob. straight, and if not, there is a good chance martin will make a play at the pot with a busted flush draw.

another is throw a $1.5k-2.5k bet on the river and let him call with the straight. even he isnt laying that down for that price.

tough hand though, very interesting.

btw how are the 5-10 and 10-20ish games there usually.

ill bet out there sometime in the next few months.

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with your reads and the way the hand went down, I think you really need to go for the CR on the river.

MP is most likely going to bet his prob. straight, and if not, there is a good chance martin will make a play at the pot with a busted flush draw.

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I disagree with this. Given his description, I could see him checking and the higher the chance that he'll bet it, the higher the chance that he'll call as well. I don't think there's a good chance Martin will make a play into two players on this board with that action. Especially when one is a notorious checkraiser. And rbk's stack is not very deep at this point.

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another is throw a $1.5k-2.5k bet on the river and let him call with the straight. even he isnt laying that down for that price.

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Normally I just push, but given the player's description I would have probably bet 2k. That's like announcing a boat and almost challenging them to fold, but it seems to work anyway.

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btw how are the 5-10 and 10-20ish games there usually.

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I think all the games smaller than 10-20 are capped crap games. The 10-20 NL is the best game in the world.

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diablo-

do you think that the chances MP calls the push are better than the chance that either MP bets or martin pulls a move if king checks the river?

[Ulysses]

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do you think that the chances MP calls the push are better than the chance that either MP bets or martin pulls a move if king checks the river?

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Well, I think the chance that Martin puts any money in is slim, no matter what anyone else does. If it gets checked to him, I think he'll check and pray his turned top pair is miraculously good.

So, it comes down to MP. I don't think there's a high chance he calls a push. I basically think he's rarely going to bet more than he's going to call, but he'll check a lot too. So you might as well bet what you think he might call. That's why I like rbk's push better than a check here and prefer an obvious milky bet even more.

[fsuplayer]

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diablo-

do you think that the chances MP calls the push are better than the chance that either MP bets or martin pulls a move if king checks the river?

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Well, I think the chance that Martin puts any money in is slim, no matter what anyone else does. If it gets checked to him, I think he'll check and pray his turned top pair is miraculously good.

So, it comes down to MP. I don't think there's a high chance he calls a push. I basically think he's rarely going to bet more than he's going to call, but he'll check a lot too. So you might as well bet what you think he might call. That's why I like rbk's push better than a check here and prefer an obvious milky bet even more.

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fair enough, although i think the chances of martin making a play go down considerably once we find out that he has decent showdown potential.

the river here is one of the few places i might bet half my stack, bc the pot is so huge MP will call. yeah, i like that milk bet alot.

[cero_z]

Hi Diablo and rbk,

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Normally I just push, but given the player's description I would have probably bet 2k.

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This is exactly how much I'd bet; very hard to turn down 6 to 1 with a straight no matter how it looks. I assume that by, "given the player's description," you meant "very good player". But I think I'd bet about the same thing against a bad or average player, too, because I think there's such a good chance of getting 2000 called, and because the bad player is more likely to be in there with a weaker hand than a straight.

It seems obvious to me that a very good player like Martin, as well as a solid player like MP, will rarely if ever have just called on the flop with the nuts. I basically rule out 87 after the flop action for MP, and totally rule it out for the button.

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btw how are the 5-10 and 10-20ish games there usually.

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I think all the games smaller than 10-20 are capped crap games. The 10-20 NL is the best game in the world.

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referencing the NL games exclusively? surely the limit Hold 'Em games can be included in that description as well

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btw how are the 5-10 and 10-20ish games there usually.

ill bet out there sometime in the next few months.

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as diablo said the 10-20 NL at the commerce is one of the best games i've ever sat in.

also PM me before you come out and i'll meet up with you at commerce and give you a heads up as to the players to watch out for.