god i love the check-raise.. (low content)

[Spellmen]

In the OP he asks how much everyone normally raises when they CR, so it is obvious he talking NL or PL as you cannot choose the amount to raise in limit [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

[Shoe]

Oh, gotcha.... I read it too fast and interpeted it in my limit brain as how often do you check raise....

[elmitchbo]

mostly NL tourney's at this point. which i think might be a little more justification for over protecting a hand, and using aggrresive strategies like the CR. in a tourney you have to beat the fish down to win, no interest in keeping them around like a ring game. i also try to use it when there is a larger field that has created a big pot. it certainly seems to me that the CR would have more selective applications in limit games, because you can't really put the squeeze on someone with one BB they way you can with a 1.5x pot raise.

you guys are right though, i do get alot of psychological profit out of the CR. that's partly why asked the question. i wanted to see if i was the only one.

[jtr]

Sorry, elmitchbo, but I think you have this exactly the wrong way round. The check-raise is one of your handiest tools in a limit game, as it's about the only tool you've got for manipulating the odds that others will have to call a bet. Whereas in a no-limit game, you can determine the odds that others will have to call by judicious choice of your bet size. So the check raise is not as useful. Sure, there are occasions on which it is the right move, but generally you want to bet, get raised, and then put in a reraise, rather than hope they'll bet and then put the fear of god into them with a check-raise.

[Piers]

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i think i might over do it and cost myself a few bets here and there.


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The important thing is to know you have outsmated the other guy. A few chips here and there hardly matter compaired to that.

[Spekkio]

Check raise = biggest tell ever.

[anuj]

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Check raise = biggest tell ever.

[/ QUOTE ]Tell of what? I often use a CheckRaise to find out where I'm at postflop. Great information tool as well, imo.

[HopeydaFish]

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Check raise = biggest tell ever.

[/ QUOTE ]Tell of what? I often use a CheckRaise to find out where I'm at postflop. Great information tool as well, imo.

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In limit, I'll use the checkraise...

1) When SH and am not last to act, and I'm on a draw, I'll check-raise hoping to win the pot right there. If they call me and I don't make my hand on the turn, I'll sometimes get to see the river for free (though the better players will recognize the reason for my check-raise and bet on the turn if I check after seeing the turn card).

2) In the BB, and the Button has raised pre-flop and I'm the only caller. I'll check-raise if he bets after the flop if I've made any sort of hand. The button's reaction to my check-raise will usually tell me what he's holding.

3) If I'm HU against a total maniac who bets on every street, and I think I've got the winning hand and I'm positive he'll bet on the river and call my checkraise, I'll play the checkraise to win the extra bet. Against a non-maniac, I'd just bet for value.

[CORed]

With a set, I'm more inclined to bet and three-bet a raise.

I'm rather fond of the turn check-raise, per HPFAP. If you've been semi-bluffing (or value betting draws) on the flop a lot, you can bet the flop check-raise the turn with a good made hand. I will sometimes do it with as little as TPGK. It is especially effective against hyper-agressive players who tend to bet whenever you check to them, whether they have a hand or not.

River check-raises with big hands can be fun too, but you have to be careful lest you miss too many bets trying to check-raise and having it checked behind.