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Check raised on the turn - fold?
Should you almost always fold if someone check raises you on the Turn?
Here's a couple of hands. Hand 1) Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (10 handed) converter Preflop: Hero is MP3 with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. MP1 posts a blind of $2. MP2 posts a blind of $2. <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP1 (poster) checks, MP2 (poster) checks, Hero calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Button calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, BB checks. Flop: (6.50 SB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(6 players)</font> BB checks, UTG+1 checks, MP1 checks, MP2 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, Button calls, BB folds, UTG+1 calls, MP1 folds, MP2 calls. Turn: (5.25 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font> UTG+1 checks, MP2 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, Button folds, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 raises</font>, MP2 folds, Hero calls. River: (9.25 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 bets</font>, Hero calls. Final Pot: 11.25 BB Hand 2) Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (10 handed) converter Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero calls, <font color="#666666">5 folds</font>, Button calls, SB completes, BB checks. Flop: (4 SB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font> SB checks, BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, Button folds, SB calls, BB folds. Turn: (3 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises</font>, Hero calls. River: (7 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, Hero calls. Final Pot: 9 BB Thanks for the help! |
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Re: Check raised on the turn - fold?
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Should you almost always fold if someone check raises you on the Turn? [/ QUOTE ] No. Hand 1 I'd 3-bet, hand 2 probably play it the same absent a read. |
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Re: Check raised on the turn - fold?
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Should you almost always fold if someone check raises you on the Turn? [/ QUOTE ] Good lord no. Hand 1: Old ladies fold to this check-raise. Real men reraise. The KQ straight is worrisome but your hand is very strong. Hand 2: At just a quick glance it looks fine. EDIT: Damn, guess we think alike eh? brettbrettr said everything I wanted to say and he was 1 minute faster than me too. |
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Re: Check raised on the turn - fold?
I call down more than I fold from turn C/R.
You do realize you have top two pair in hand #1, right? |
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Re: Check raised on the turn - fold?
Hand 1 you should be 3-betting the turn.
Hand 2 calling down is fine. Krishan |
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Re: Check raised on the turn - fold?
Yes!
I know. But what if your read tells you that its a pretty strong player? |
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Re: Check raised on the turn - fold?
I think I'd rather raise the river in position on hand one. I think you'll get 4 bets max from lower two pairs anyways, and you'll put in five bets less often against sets and straights if you raise the river as opposed to three-betting the turn.
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Re: Check raised on the turn - fold?
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I think I'd rather raise the river in position on hand one. I think you'll get 4 bets max from lower two pairs anyways, and you'll put in five bets less often against sets and straights if you raise the river as opposed to three-betting the turn. [/ QUOTE ] I see what you're saying. Are the rare times when you improve to a full house on the river against a set or straight a legitimate reason to rather opt for the turn? I'd like to hear more comments on this. |
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Re: Check raised on the turn - fold?
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I think I'd rather raise the river in position on hand one. [/ QUOTE ] This is bad because a diamond flush draw will pay on the turn and not the river. Krishan |
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Re: Check raised on the turn - fold?
Oh, bull. The whole turn check-raise semi-bluff a picked up flush draw is not used often by typical 2/4 players. The turn C/R almost always means your against a lower two pair, or you're in deep [censored] against a set.
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