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never fold for one bet on the river in a big pot?
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Preflop: Hero is MP3 with 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP2 calls, Hero calls, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises</font>, Button calls, SB calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG calls, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 3-bets</font>, MP2 folds, Hero calls, CO calls, Button calls, SB calls, <font color="#CC3333">UTG caps</font>, UTG+1 calls, Hero calls, CO calls, Button calls, SB calls. Flop: (26 SB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(6 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, Hero calls, CO calls, Button calls. Wow, I have odds to call with my 3 outs Turn: (16 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(6 players)</font> SB checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 checks, Hero checks, CO checks, Button checks. gut shot... River: (16 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(6 players)</font> SB checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 checks, Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">CO bets</font>, Button folds, SB folds, UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, Hero calls. Some guy named Ed said never fold in a big pot unless you're sure your beat...so I called Final Pot: 19 BB Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF"> UTG+1 has Jd Qd (one pair, sixes). Hero has 5c 5h (two pair, sixes and fives). CO has As 9d (one pair, sixes). Outcome: Hero wins 19 BB. </font> |
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Re: never fold for one bet on the river in a big pot?
hmmm. i probably fold once this is 2 bets to me preflop.
how do you have 3 outs on the flop? i definitely call that river bet. you only need to be right once every 15 times. |
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Re: never fold for one bet on the river in a big pot?
After all the limp-reraising preflop, no one seems to like their hand very much anymore.
I guess in retrospect it looks like you should have bet the turn. (If you are ahead, you benefit from driving out any unduplicated overcards that you can.) But with 5 opponents and 3 overcards on the board, it's hard to imagine you'll be ahead at this point very often. And I don't think anyone's folding a pair in a pot this big. I like the river call. CO and UTG+1 did both slow down significantly after raising preflop, which makes it look like they both just have overcards. Getting 18:1, closing the action, I think you'll be good here often enough. |
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Re: never fold for one bet on the river in a big pot?
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hmmm. i probably fold once this is 2 bets to me preflop. how do you have 3 outs on the flop? i definitely call that river bet. you only need to be right once every 15 times. [/ QUOTE ] 2 5's and a backdoor straight draw about 3 outs in my opinion |
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Re: never fold for one bet on the river in a big pot?
A one-card backdoor straight though. Any five will chop (although you do have an extra) but it will also be hard to extract any serious money with 4-to-a-straight on the board.
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Re: never fold for one bet on the river in a big pot?
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[ QUOTE ] hmmm. i probably fold once this is 2 bets to me preflop. how do you have 3 outs on the flop? i definitely call that river bet. you only need to be right once every 15 times. [/ QUOTE ] 2 5's and a backdoor straight draw about 3 outs in my opinion [/ QUOTE ] One of the fives puts a three-flush on the board. I give you about 2 outs, still enough to make the call. Fold PF though. |
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Re: never fold for one bet on the river in a big pot?
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Fold PF though. [/ QUOTE ] Why?...I have a shot at a set and getting the whole pot? it's 1 in 8 right...I think there are enough people to get paid if I hit... |
#8
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Re: never fold for one bet on the river in a big pot?
Hero is getting an immediate 14:2 on his call of the 3-bet. It could go on to get capped behind him by CO, or there could just be additional calls. (Or, as actually happened, someone could decide to limp-call-cap.)
In any event, I think Hero's preflop play is fine. Even though the preflop action does cut down on his implied odds, I don't think Hero should fold preflop for two more small bets with so many people in the pot, once he's already put money in. |
#9
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Re: never fold for one bet on the river in a big pot?
Folding preflop is disgustingly bad. You are getting an immediate 14:2 when it comes back around to you,and likely better when all is said and done. Even if you knew that the original raiser would cap it, a call here is guaranteed +EV with your implied odds.
That said, I have a hard time overcalling on the river, even closing the action. I probably would do it anyway, because when you see something that is really out of line (like this postflop action), it often indicates that somebody has a screw loose. Ni Han |
#10
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Re: never fold for one bet on the river in a big pot?
Bet the turn.
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