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Old 02-14-2005, 07:13 PM
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Default Re: 5/10 6max (4 handed) blind defense. Reasonable?

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Old 02-15-2005, 12:52 AM
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Default Re: 5/10 6max (4 handed) blind defense. Reasonable?

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Sometimes I google people's names to see what I find. In this case, SB's name hit in 2+2 forums so figured TAG who would try to steal if folded around.

Party Poker 5/10 Hold'em (6 max, 4 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is BB with 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises</font>, Hero calls.

Flop: (4 SB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, Hero calls.

Turn: (3 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, SB calls.

River: (9 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, SB calls.

Final Pot: 13 BB

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You played it fine. Preflop call is a must.
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Old 02-15-2005, 01:11 AM
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Default Re: 5/10 6max (4 handed) blind defense. Reasonable?

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as much as i dont like folding to sb steals, i would have folded the 7-5s. i will defend a 76s or a 86s. that's just my personal cutoff. i suppose a 7-5 is reasonable though.

i like a flop raise. if sb misses and was on a steal,
you will often get him to fold to your flop raise or your subsequent turn lead and many other times you will hit your double gut.

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Folding 75s would be a huge mistake in position here.

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Nate (or anyone else)please explain why folding a 7-5s is a huge mistake here. It's not that I don't believe you, of course, I just am curious why it is a must play. I see that you are getting 3-1 here and the SB's range of raising hands is very wide. Having position is nice, I see that too. I guess I am not connecting all the dots. How do you determine that it is -EV to fold here?
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Old 02-15-2005, 01:20 AM
Jeff W Jeff W is offline
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Default Re: 5/10 6max (4 handed) blind defense. Reasonable?

It's pretty simple. You have to have &lt;25% equity to fold this. Most opponents have a wide enough SB open raising range that you will show a profit by calling.

Consider this Pokerstove simulation:

equity (%) win (%) / tie (%)
37.7631 % [ 00.37 00.01 ] { 75s }
62.2369 % [ 00.62 00.01 ] { AA-22, AKs-A2s, KQs-K2s, QJs-Q7s, JTs-J7s, T9s-T7s, 98s-97s, 87s, AKo-A2o, KQo-K8o, QJo-Q8o, JTo-J8o, T9o-T8o, 98o }

That is a hot&amp;cold simulation. Your positional advantage adds to your equity in actual play.
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Old 02-15-2005, 05:58 AM
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Default Re: 5/10 6max (4 handed) blind defense. Reasonable?

Position is worth a lot HU.

75s although a weak hand it can connect to a lot of flops.

If it was against a button steal I'd fold because being out of position sucks.

What usually happens is he autobets the flop, say you connect to the flop with as little as a gutshot you can raise and take a freecard or make him fold the turn most times.

If you flop a big hand you can watch him bet it for you and can raise the river if you like. He cant take a freecard because you have position.

A lot of factors come into what you defend with here. You cant just say ok 75s is good 74s isnt. It depends on who you are against.
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Old 02-15-2005, 12:02 PM
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Default Re: 5/10 6max (4 handed) blind defense. Reasonable?

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Many would raise on the flop - I tend to remain conservative here. If a high card comes on the turn, I am likely to fold.

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No no, the only reason not raising this flop is because he will more likely fold if u raise turn. Openended straight and 3 flushcards, this is superstrong. He will normally not be hit by a flop like this, raise is a must.

I would defend 75 against any stealreaise, also from CO, unless they were rocks. Against SB raise I would call with worse, like 64s and 54s and J8o. A pair is often enough.
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