QQ yet again

stripsqueez · #1 02-14-2005, 12:36 AM

first hand of a $100+$9 - i get QQ in the cutoff - UTG open raises to T30 and there are 3 callers to me - i raise to T200 - folded to UTG who pushes and its folded to me

call ?

stripsqueez - chickenhawk

AtticusFinch · #2 02-14-2005, 12:48 AM

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first hand of a $100+$9 - i get QQ in the cutoff - UTG open raises to T30 and there are 3 callers to me - i raise to T200 - folded to UTG who pushes and its folded to me

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Since you close the action and all others have folded, I'd say call. You're getting over 1.6 to 1, and villain's most likely hand is AK. (I doubt AA would push rather than reraise another 3-400, but I don't know the 109s). With a caller behind, easy fold.

ChrisV · #3 02-14-2005, 01:18 AM

Yeah - can't let the chooks get out of line eh? Call.

I did manage to fold QQ on the first hand last night for a loss of only 60 chips, but there were two other raisers involved. They had AA and KK. I even managed to restrain myself from talking about my fold in the chat.

stripsqueez · #4 02-14-2005, 05:31 AM

i suppose this sort of decision in the absence of a read is really a balance of the usual chook equity early in round 1 of any level SNG - lots of chook equity in the $100's

so i was 4 tabling and the phone rang when i had this hand - my former bridge partner was intent on explaining the finer points of a 1 suit squeeze - with my head about to explode i decided to fold so i dont know what the guy had

i ran third in this tourney - i got to see a lot of this guy - he had T1800 after the first blind level - he lost half of that on the second level when he limped with J8o and called a push when the flop was A J 4 - he lost the rest calling a push a few hands later with K10s

i dont need to know what he had anymore to know what was right...

stripsqueez - chickenhawk

Scuba Chuck · #5 02-14-2005, 06:11 AM

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I even managed to restrain myself from talking about my fold in the chat.

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More impressive than the fold itself.

Scuba Chuck · #6 02-14-2005, 06:13 AM

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Since you close the action and all others have folded, I'd say call. You're getting over 1.6 to 1, and villain's most likely hand is AK . (I doubt AA would push rather than reraise another 3-400, but I don't know the 109s).

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Hmmm. I had never thought of it that way. Guess I fold QQ too often then.

bismillahno · #7 02-14-2005, 08:39 AM

Similar situation. Empire 20+2, saturday night US time (I think drunk equity is important here), 3rd hand. Neither hero nor villain has played a hand.

Hero in MP2 with QQ, two limpers, MP1 pushes...

This is an easy call, right?

stripsqueez · #8 02-14-2005, 10:07 AM

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This is an easy call, right?

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i think the dodgy looking play equity plus the impaired chook equity you mention make this an auto call

stripsqueez - chickenhawk

ChrisV · #9 02-14-2005, 10:07 AM

I like this one less than stripsqueez's example, because the preflop push early on is a commonly used tactic with AA and KK, especially at that buyin level. In stripsqueez's example the way his opponent played the hand didn't make much sense for AA or KK.

Nevertheless, I'd still call.

bismillahno · #10 02-14-2005, 10:56 AM

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I like this one less than stripsqueez's example, because the preflop push early on is a commonly used tactic with AA and KK, especially at that buyin level. In stripsqueez's example the way his opponent played the hand didn't make much sense for AA or KK.

Nevertheless, I'd still call.

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That part was what made me pause, but I did indeed call. Not particularly relevant, but he had KK, 10th place and another one underway for me...