THIS IS THE WORST FLOOR DECISION EVER!!!

lehighguy · #1 02-12-2005, 03:55 PM

I wasn't in the hand, but the two guys to my right where, and I found it so disgusting I got up and left.

1/2 NL at the Borgata ($300 max buyin)
Player 1 is BB with QQ.
Player 2 is UTG with AA.

Preflop:
Player 2 raises to $15, get one MP caller, and BB calls.

Flop:
Flop is some unsuited low rags. Player 2 bets $20, MP folds. Player 1 says he's all in. Player 2 things for 30 seconds, then in a clear and loud voice, says he calls. Since the two are both all in, they flip over thier cards. Then the dealer grabs the guys pocket aces, throws them in with the flop cards, and turns them face down. The table erupts. We try to tell her that there are two more cards and the other guy might hit his queen. Then she says that she thought the first guy (pocket aces) folded to the all in. This is puzzling since I sitting right next to them and people on the other side of the table heard him say call. Player 2 did nothing wrong on this hand and in no way violated the rules. He even kept his cards fairly close to him and the dealer practically had to push his hand out of the way to get to them. Anyway, I suppose mistakes happen, but then your suppose to correct them. SO here comes the floorperson.

Floor Decision:
The floor person comes over and after hearing the story says "THE POT HAS TO BE GIVEN TO THE QUEENS SINCE HIS HAND IS STILL THERE". What???? They're not even going to chop it. They're giving the entire pot to the queens?????????? This is rediculous.

At this point me and another old gentlemen who plays alot try to talk some reason into the women. I tell her simply:
"There are 5 cards face down in that pile, the two aces and the three flop cards. The deck is right there and all the other dead cards are in another pile right there. Just turn over the pile in the center, give the guy his aces back, and deal two more cards. There is no reason we can't continue the hand. All of the necessary items are right in place, everyone agrees what each person had and what the flop cards are, we all saw it. Its the only fair way to end this hand."

After argueing for a little bit they gave the entire pot to the queens guy (this was double annoying since the aces guy was good and the queens guy was atrocious). After seeing this (combined with an earlier dealer mistake) I got up from the table and left.

Your thoughts?

Kaz The Original · #2 02-12-2005, 04:04 PM

So yo uwant the good player to win money, not the bad one?

private joker · #3 02-12-2005, 04:05 PM

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Queens guy should have been nice and tossed a few chips AA's way.

Also, ridiculous doesn't have an E in it. Sorry to single you out, but it's an error I've seen on this board multiple times and it's driving me nuts. Do a search engine query for "rediculous" and you'll find a frightening number of hits.

Thirdly, it's more a major dealer error than a floor decision. I agree the floor should have righted dealer's wrong, but the main ire should be pointed towards the incompetent dealer.

foofighter · #4 02-12-2005, 04:13 PM

What do u care anyhow? You should be happy the worse player had more chips for you to take now!

lapoker17 · #5 02-12-2005, 04:14 PM

If I'm the guy w QQ and I also heard AA call, then I'm chopping the pot with him on my own.

lehighguy · #6 02-12-2005, 04:31 PM

The QQ guy admitted the other guy called. But he was a degenerate gambler that just lost a ton of money in the casino and wasn't about to give any back. In fact, without going into details, he just seemed like a backward degerate in general.

To all the people that are complaining, what the flying [censored]. I don't care that money went to a bad player. I'M NOT IN THE HAND. It's got nothing to do with whats in it for me. It's about fairness and simple competence. I play poker and take money from people all the time, but its fair. Have you people become such leeches on society you have lost all moral bearing at all. Jesus [censored]-ing christ I hope this happens to you and no one stands up for you. Life isn't always about EV.

PhatCasino · #7 02-12-2005, 04:35 PM

i was involved in a similar hand.. however the deck was SPILLED..........
meaning the dealer tipped it over.. so the hand couldn't continue (I guess) .. so we agreed on a chop
i did have the best of it, but i didn't care

detroitplayer · #8 02-12-2005, 05:11 PM

I know a lot of guys here always give grief to the guy who got his cards mucked... But when you call an all-in and flip up your cards, what are you supposed to do then? Start piling chips on your flipped over cards to protect them? What if the dealer just pushes the chips off your cards and mucks em anyway?

I'm always a little annoyed when it comes to this situation and people take the dealer's side because the player "didn't protect his hand well enough".

Jay36489 · #9 02-12-2005, 06:12 PM

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To all the people that are complaining, what the flying [censored]. I don't care that money went to a bad player. I'M NOT IN THE HAND. It's got nothing to do with whats in it for me. It's about fairness and simple competence. I play poker and take money from people all the time, but its fair. Have you people become such leeches on society you have lost all moral bearing at all. Jesus [censored]-ing christ I hope this happens to you and no one stands up for you. Life isn't always about EV.

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Well said!

Ulysses · #10 02-12-2005, 06:26 PM

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I know a lot of guys here always give grief to the guy who got his cards mucked... But when you call an all-in and flip up your cards, what are you supposed to do then? Start piling chips on your flipped over cards to protect them? What if the dealer just pushes the chips off your cards and mucks em anyway?

I'm always a little annoyed when it comes to this situation and people take the dealer's side because the player "didn't protect his hand well enough".

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I agtee of course that the hand should have been retrieved and completed - most good floor men will do this in this situation when everyone agrees and there is no dispute over who had/did what.

I also agree that the QQ guy should have chopped the pot w/ AA guy. I would do that no question.

However, having said all that, this is a great example of why you should ALWAYS maintain control of your cards until the dealer has pushed you the pot. I am the most easy-going guy in the cardroom about everything. But there's one thing that I'm a nit about. The dealer doesn't get my cards until I get the money.