Low pocket pair as an overpair

Brom · #1 02-07-2005, 07:52 PM

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UTG is a loose passive with 36/3. CO has cold called 2 raises in the last round (this is my first round), one of those times with JTo.

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
UTG calls, 4 folds, Hero raises, CO calls, 2 folds, BB calls, UTG calls.

Flop: (8.66 SB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets, CO calls, BB folds, UTG raises, Hero 3-bets, CO calls, UTG calls.

Turn: (8.83 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets, CO calls, UTG calls.

River: (11.83 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets, CO calls, UTG folds.

Final Pot: 13.83 BB

My read is that both of them are on the flush draw (I decide this after the turn bet), thoughts? Overplayed maybe?

stoxtrader · #2 02-07-2005, 07:56 PM

I think you played the flop and turn fine, the times you gain extra value by charging overcards and flush draws more than make up for the times someone already has trips or a higher overpair.

I think check/call on the river is the play.

bobbyi · #3 02-07-2005, 08:01 PM

I think you need to play this fast on the flop and turn. Free cards are obviously very dangerous and you need to protect yoru hand. I'm not so crazy about the river bet though. I suppose you were hoping that one of them is on missed nut clubs and will pay you off with ace high? A better hand than yours is not folding at this point and getting paid off by queen high seems really unlikely. I'd usually check here and hope for a free showdown, although someone might be able to convince we otherwise. Did you hope that one of them had a poker pair larger than yours and would now fold fearing that AK just got there? I don't really see that happening, but who knows.

Brom · #4 02-07-2005, 08:07 PM

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Did you hope that one of them had a poker pair larger than yours and would now fold fearing that AK just got there? I don't really see that happening, but who knows.

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Yes that what I was hoping for. Specifically I was hoping CO would fold 77-99 maybe fearing too many hands either had him beat or just got there. CO had a slightly higher than normal fold on river %. But judging by the general consensus that is becoming evident I think check call was in order.

TStoneMBD · #5 02-07-2005, 08:09 PM

river bet is terrible. 3betting the flop is good, but bet the turn and fold to a raise.

jogumon · #6 02-07-2005, 09:58 PM

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Yes that what I was hoping for. Specifically I was hoping CO would fold 77-99 maybe fearing too many hands either had him beat or just got there. CO had a slightly higher than normal fold on river %. But judging by the general consensus that is becoming evident I think check call was in order.

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The pot's too big. I can't imagine anyone laying down a made hand they called the turn bet with here. Anyone who beats you is making a crying call here. If you check, maybe a busted club draw tries to represent the K and bluff at you.