AK on a paired board

styleish · #1 02-04-2005, 07:10 PM

only been around a couple of orbits, but cutoff seems pretty solid, hasn't really done anything out of line. couple questions:
should i raise this preflop? how are my bet sizes? and what about the river play?

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (8 handed) converter

MP2 ($57.6)
CO ($80.1)
Button ($10.2)
Hero ($20.5)
BB ($28.4)
UTG ($14.75)
UTG+1 ($64.05)
MP1 ($18.75)

Preflop: Hero is SB with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. Hero posts a blind of $0.25.
4 folds, CO raises to $1, 1 fold, Hero (poster) calls $0.75, 1 fold.

Flop: ($2.50) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets $2, CO calls $2.

Turn: ($6.50) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets $4, CO calls $4.

River: ($14.50) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $5, Hero calls $5.

Final Pot: $24.50

amoeba · #2 02-04-2005, 07:14 PM

I would have reraised preflop but if you feel you can trap a weak ace or weak king then call is fine assuming you feel that BB won't come along with you for 1 bb more.

I like the post flop play.

MyMindIsGoing · #3 02-04-2005, 07:23 PM

Reraise preflop, fold if reraised (since you almost always in my exprecience will be up against AA or KK). Postflop play is good I think. You have to call that small bet on the river even though you are probably beat. Against a bad player (who might actually have KQ or even KJ) the call will show profit.

Digs · #4 02-04-2005, 09:33 PM

beat?

I don't see how you are behind in this hand

poboy · #5 02-04-2005, 09:56 PM

Really? I don't see how he could be ahead. Perhaps you need to take another look at the board. Any hand with an 8,KJ,QT, even K9(though this is improbable) is ahead. All the hero has is TPTK, not even close to the nuts. Given the action on each street(especially 5th) it is almost certain that TPTK is not enough. JMO

edge · #6 02-04-2005, 10:18 PM

I might even check/call the turn and river against a decent player.

DoomSlice · #7 02-04-2005, 10:35 PM

I'd say a weak King hand or maybe even an underpair is a likely holding for Villain. I'd say you're ahead more than 50% of the time. I don't see Villain making a raise with a hand that contains an 8 other than A8s, since he can't expect a min-raise to make people fold. I think you're up against QQ.

poboy · #8 02-04-2005, 11:04 PM

I would raise with a very wide range of hands in that spot, A8 K-J8s 89s 78s are some hands that I would be very likely to raise in that situation. Though I think it is more likely to be KJ and he got lucky and outdrew the hero. It is almost certainly not QQ or any other underpair, who would call all the way down and then make a weak bet that is begging for a call with an overcard and a pair showing? His river bet is telling you he can beat a pair of K's. JMO

DoomSlice · #9 02-04-2005, 11:13 PM

Hero checked the river after betting weak on all streets, thus inducing a bluff.

Digs · #10 02-04-2005, 11:30 PM

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Really? I don't see how he could be ahead. Perhaps you need to take another look at the board. Any hand with an 8,KJ,QT, even K9(though this is improbable) is ahead. All the hero has is TPTK, not even close to the nuts. Given the action on each street(especially 5th) it is almost certain that TPTK is not enough. JMO

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But the villan show's no strength the whole time. He calls all the way down and bets behind a river check......