Facing flopped aces with JJ...

[The-Matador]

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I think this is a great line. No reason to bet the river again...His line does not indicate an ace, as surely he would have 3 bet the flop, no?

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If the last statement is true, then why shouldn't I bet the river?

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Precisely because you don't know if it's true. He might be scared of his kicker. He might not have folded QQ or KK. He might have been setting you up for a river raise the entire time, as lots of dopey players love to spring traps there. You get a free showdown with a hand that figures to have a lot of showdown potential, but that really doesn't want to see a reraise and may be beaten by a call. So take it--you've done all you can to win this pot.

[sean c]

Remember you showed the aggresion here the only pp you beat are 1010,99,88 I just don't see a wide enough range of hands you beat to make a river bet. Do you fold to a river c/r? No one has sold me on a flop fold or a river bet just yet.

[Ralph Wiggum]

SOP

[chesspain]

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I don't like the turn bet. Your going to be cr here by an Ace.

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Should I really have a problem folding here to a c/r?



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...and if villian has an A, he played it like hell. Especially the flop raise.

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Villian simply bet the flop--I'm the one who raised.

[krishanleong]

KK and QQ would have been crazy not the call-cap preflop. I absolutely believe you will not be cr-on the river even if villian has an ace. He is scared of a bigger ace and won't raise. I can't imagine the type of player that cold calls preflop, bets a drawless board when he holds trips, then check calls the turn and springs a trap check-raising the river. I don't think this player exists.

Krishan

[krishanleong]

You absolutely have to fold the turn if you get CR-ed. That's one of the things that makes my line better I think.

Blah. I am unsure of myself. I have never played live. At 2/4 there are enough bad players that your line works okay (with the addition of a river bet). At higher limits, inducing a bluff and avoiding the checkraise and showing down quality hands has more value. People are also much less likely to call down with an underpair at high limits. So maybe it depends on your read a bit.

Krishan

[sean c]

Chesspain I would like to hear the pro's logic for a flop fold in such a large pot are we missing something here?

[chesspain]

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Chesspain I would like to hear the pro's logic for a flop fold in such a large pot are we missing something here?

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"I would assume that someone has an ace..."

[MHarris]

I can see a flop fold against certain players, but against this kid, who sounds like he may bet a pretty wide range of hands on the flop, this line is ideal.

[sean c]

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Chesspain I would like to hear the pro's logic for a flop fold in such a large pot are we missing something here?

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"I would assume that someone has an ace..."

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