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My most difficult flop ever - Am I weak?
Is it possible anyone here would have played this post flop differently? This is on Party Poker $22 table.
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (10 handed) converter UTG+2 (t740) MP1 (t1775) MP2 (t715) Hero (t695) CO (t455) Button (t965) SB (t975) BB (t550) UTG (t490) UTG+1 (t640) Preflop: Hero is MP3 with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 raises to t85</font>, Hero calls t85, CO calls t85, Button calls t85, SB calls t70, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>. Flop: (t455) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font> SB checks, MP2 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets t150</font>, CO calls t150, Button folds, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises to t890 (All-In)</font>, MP2 folds, Hero folds, CO calls t220 (All-In). Turn: (t1865) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 2 all-in)</font> River: (t1865) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 2 all-in)</font> Final Pot: t1865 SB: A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 6 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] CO: Q [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Not one fXXXing spade |
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Re: My most difficult flop ever - Am I weak?
You probably could have kicked the SB out with a nice-sized pre-flop reraise. (But if he's willing to push with that hand after a bet and call, who knows?)
I've often found myself getting nailed when I got greedy and slow-played a big PF hand, or bet too little on the flop looking for customers. I say reraise your aces. If everyone folds, so be it. |
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Re: My most difficult flop ever - Am I weak?
I think unless SB is a known maniac, it is a fold. Now, SB is a known maniac.
Too bad he didn't hit the 4th ace. Villians need to be rewarded for those plays sometimes, and you would have had a chance to get your chips back from him. |
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Re: My most difficult flop ever - Am I weak?
Quick note: A move-in here is more likely to mean someone thinks they have the best hand (like an overpair) but doesn't want to get drawn out on by the flush, than it does a made flush. A made flush will be slowplayed much more often than pushed here.
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Re: My most difficult flop ever - Am I weak?
I know I could have raised more PF. I'm sure I would have been better off, but what would you do post flop?
This happen 100 times, I think I always fold |
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Re: My most difficult flop ever - Am I weak?
Eastbay, do you mean to say that you'd call?
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Re: My most difficult flop ever - Am I weak?
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Eastbay, do you mean to say that you'd call? [/ QUOTE ] Yeah I think I call by default there. Could go otherwise depending on opponent, but given no more information, yeah, I think it's a call. eastbay |
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Re: My most difficult flop ever - Am I weak?
I mostly agree with eastbay. Sometimes a push is a low flush here, but with a decent-sized PF raise that's less likely.
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Re: My most difficult flop ever - Am I weak?
Yeah, but he's up against 2 players. CO called 150 on the flop and could easily have the nuts. The raise could be trips as well as overpair. One player could have 78 with 1 or 2 spades for a huge draw and be a favorite (if not made). Just about the best case would be someone at least had one spade and you were still not be a huge favorite. You had to pretty much expect a call from CO (the SB should have expected it, which makes his play especially bad).
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Re: My most difficult flop ever - Am I weak?
I'd interpret Eastbay as saying that the push means you are very likely ahead of the flop pusher (but by how much, I don't know).
Preflop: I think you really need to raise here to thin the field (reducing your risk someone hits the flop) and to ideally build a similarly big pot vs. just one opponent (the guy raised so he probably thinks he has something and will want to play). Flop: Hmmm....I'm not sure I like this raise since you only have ~600 left. You're in a very tough spot b/c there are so many limpers so someone probably has a good draw and sometimes u'll be drawing almost dead. I probably check/fold this and still have a decentish stack. If you're going to bet 150 then get raised allin (rather than called) you're in a very tough spot. You have only ~400ish chips which sucks. I hate to see the other short stack guy call behind -- he very likely has a strong flush draw and/or the flush already (dunno why he called with an overpair). That being said, you almost have to call now as your pot odds are so high. There is a good chance you're up against two flush draws and/or a bigger pair/top pair type hand. It's probably +CEV and given that otherwise you're left to work with a modest 400 chip stack I'd reckon it likely could be +$EV too. Additional questions: What is your plan if called and a blank hits? What if you're called and a spade hits? Yugoslav PS See, not *all* of my posts are TSC-like with negative content. |
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