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#21
01-31-2005, 03:29 PM
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Re: Pocket 10s in BB, 1st level of 10+1 Party
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Fourth hand in so no real reads... [/ QUOTE ] Yet everyone has played at least one hand... (No one still has $800) I'm amazed! This seems like a really, really loose table. I'd raise! 
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#22
01-31-2005, 03:33 PM
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Re: Pocket 10s in BB, 1st level of 10+1 Party
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Against 5 limpers, with a premium hand like the TT What do you do with other premium hands like AJs and KQo? Lori [/ QUOTE ] Based on realbad and pulplife's posts I would also add any two cards to your question: What do you do with any hand in the BB with 5 fishy limpers ahead of you? Why don't you always raise? Furthermore, What is your plan for playing post flop with 'premium' hands like TT, AJ or KQ? What do you do if a limper pops you back on after your preflop raise? (if your answer is fold then a thinking player who sees you play this way will just pop you back with any two cards and collect your 150 chips) Yugoslav
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#23
01-31-2005, 03:33 PM
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Re: Pocket 10s in BB, 1st level of 10+1 Party
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[ QUOTE ] Fourth hand in so no real reads... [/ QUOTE ] Yet everyone has played at least one hand... (No one still has $800) I'm amazed! This seems like a really, really loose table. I'd raise! [/ QUOTE ] This is even more reason to fold! Yugoslav
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#24
01-31-2005, 03:35 PM
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Re: Pocket 10s in BB, 1st level of 10+1 Party
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[ QUOTE ] Against 5 limpers, with a premium hand like the TT, I would raise to around 150 in the BB preflop. You will likely not be called and if so, you are heads up and will better be able to define your hand. [/ QUOTE ]I imagine it will be clear to most on this forum that this advice is really bad. [/ QUOTE ] Irie, I think this is a first, but I disagree. [ QUOTE ] Making a bet to define your hand is like paying somebody at the fair to guess your weight. You already know how much you weigh, so what's the point? [/ QUOTE ] To score an easy stuffed animal for my date to highly increase my likelihood of getting some of course. I'll bet less than 1% of the population would guess my weight correctly within 3 pounds (typically they are 40-50 pounds off). I know that and they don't. Similarly I know I have TT and they don't. I think it's a good way to pick off some easy early chips. Granted if you're called or reraised, you have to give the hand up, but I can live with that. Not saying I'd make this play routinely, but it is not really bad advice assuming you play the rest of the hand correctly.
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#25
01-31-2005, 03:38 PM
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Re: Pocket 10s in BB, 1st level of 10+1 Party
Well put, and well taken.
I am not going to waffle on my response or change it, but I certainly respect your views (especially being that it is the first round of the tournament). I do want to make one more point here. I would put a pf caller (not raiser) on two high cards, AK, AQ, AJ, A10, KQ, etc. In the majority of high card cases, I would still be ahead. One bet of about half the pot will define my hand. Since there is a descent chance that I am still ahead, I bet. Pulp [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]
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#26
01-31-2005, 03:43 PM
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Re: Pocket 10s in BB, 1st level of 10+1 Party
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I am not going to waffle on my response or change it [/ QUOTE ] Ok, you're wrong though [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] Seriously, think of the ways you can make money with TT. Now think of the most appropriate way to make money with TT out of the BB with 5 limpers.
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01-31-2005, 03:47 PM
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Re: Pocket 10s in BB, 1st level of 10+1 Party
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Well put, and well taken. I am not going to waffle on my response or change it, but I certainly respect your views (especially being that it is the first round of the tournament). The post in qoutes seemed a bit vague without my original thoughts. I do want to make one more point here. I would put a pf caller (not raiser) on two high cards, AK, AQ, AJ, A10, KQ, etc. In the majority of high card cases, I would still be ahead. One bet of about half the pot will define my hand. Since there is a descent chance that I am still ahead, I bet. Pulp [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] BTW, the above response, is an addition to the line of raising pf, getting a caller, then betting 1/2 the pot after Q comes on the flop... Pulp [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]
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#29
01-31-2005, 04:02 PM
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Re: Pocket 10s in BB, 1st level of 10+1 Party
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[ QUOTE ] Well put, and well taken. I am not going to waffle on my response or change it, but I certainly respect your views (especially being that it is the first round of the tournament). The post in qoutes seemed a bit vague without my original thoughts. I do want to make one more point here. I would put a pf caller (not raiser) on two high cards, AK, AQ, AJ, A10, KQ, etc. In the majority of high card cases, I would still be ahead. One bet of about half the pot will define my hand. Since there is a descent chance that I am still ahead, I bet. Pulp [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] BTW, the above response, is an addition to the line of raising pf, getting a caller, then betting 1/2 the pot after Q comes on the flop... Pulp [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] If you can play this way in a $11 SNG and make it more +$EV than playing TT for set value, the more power to you. However, I don't think it's possible given Party's blind structure and future considerations concerning FE and $EV equity gained by playing tight and letting fishy players destroy each other. Yugoslav
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#30
01-31-2005, 04:06 PM
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Re: Pocket 10s in BB, 1st level of 10+1 Party
To the limping advocacy strain, I would suggest you lay a counter something along what I will do below...
If you raise your TT to 150... 40% of the time all opponents will fold (I think this might actually be conservative, but it's a starting place for the discussion) Of the 60% left... 12% of the time you flop a set. Goot. Out of the 48% of the time neither of the above happens... (Note all below percentages out of 100% - will reduce to 48% at the end) Approximately 20% of the time no overs flop. You are goot. Approximately 20% of the time an ace flops. You check fold. Approximately 60% of the time K-J flop. You bet 2/3 of the pot. Your opponent folds 50% of the time. So another 50% of 48% you are goot. So 40% plus 12% plus 24%. 76% plus EV. Plenty of assumptions to argue in here. But truthfully, I would rather see a rebuttal distribution of possible opponent plays and how limping ends up being plus greater plus ev rather than picking through each allocation. My play... 76% winning 90 chips so a 68 chip expectation. The limp - no set no bet play- 12% of 68 = 11 chips. Assume you are getting further action if they make top pair for your set... make it 30 chips. Does this play in Peoria?
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