JJ in the BB

aLOWdAkING · #1 01-31-2005, 12:28 AM

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Preflop: Hero is BB with J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG calls, 1 fold, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, 3 folds, SB completes, Hero raises, UTG calls, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, SB calls.

Anybody just check with this many ppl?

Flop: (10 SB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (5 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, UTG folds, MP1 raises, MP2 calls, SB folds, Hero calls.

MP2 is 34%/2%/2.00.

Turn: (8 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, MP1 bets, MP2 folds, Hero calls.

River: (10 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, MP1 bets, Hero...

Final Pot: 12 BB

captZEEbo1 · #2 01-31-2005, 12:32 AM

pf: fine
flop: fine, possibly 3bet, but prolly not.
turn: fine
river: might as well call....

JP2k1 · #3 01-31-2005, 12:36 AM

Agreed, you played fine on all the streets. On the river you probably call, there's still just the one overcard. It's possible the the flop raiser has a queen, but there are plenty of other hands he could have raised with too.

And raising from the BB is definitely right; JJ is too good to let everyone limp into the pot for one bet, even if there are a lot of them and you don't expect to thin the field.

Niediam · #4 01-31-2005, 12:38 AM

Definately raise preflop.

I don't like how you played the flop/turn however. Betting out is correct as there is no reason to believe anybody has a Q. It gets trickier though once you are raised and MP2 smooth calls two bets. What was your thought process here? If you figured that you were behind to a Q then you should obviously fold as you have very few outs. If you think that they are just playing a draw then you should bet out on the turn so as to not give your opponents a free card to beat you.

adamstewart · #5 01-31-2005, 01:02 AM

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pf: fine
flop: fine, possibly 3bet, but prolly not.
turn: fine
river: might as well call....

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I'd advocate taking a stance at least somewhere in this hand to figure out where we're at. What are we, a calling board?

adamstewart · #6 01-31-2005, 01:12 AM

PREFLOP: fine

FLOP: Hmmm... is MP1 raising a flush draw, or a pair of queens. You don't know, so you can't give up yet. I suggest this line:

Simply call his raise, then lead out on the turn and see how he reacts. If he raises you on the turn, FOLD. If he just calls (implying more of a flush draw). Lead out on the river.

I'd argue against 3-betting the flop because he'll just cap it with either a flush draw or a paired queen. Then you really haven't gained any inforamtion.

TURN: I think you have to lead this turn (fold to a raise, but don't let him take a free card if he's on the flush draw).

RIVER: I like not betting the river because if villain just has a broken flush draw, he'll fold to your bet. But checking may induce him to bluff.

Just my thoughts...

Adam

arkady · #7 01-31-2005, 03:18 AM

What is all this probably crap about the river. If you called the turn and the river does not bring an A or K, how do you NOT call?

Altnernatively you can just fold the flop.

emonrad87 · #8 01-31-2005, 03:36 AM

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Altnernatively you can just fold the flop.

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That is horribly, horribly weak-tight. I like the bet/call, then lead the turn if a blank falls line.

rmarotti · #9 01-31-2005, 04:39 AM

Agreed. How blank-y do you think the Th is ?

emonrad87 · #10 01-31-2005, 04:57 AM

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Agreed. How blank-y do you think the Th is ?

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It's a pretty big blank - J9 or pocket tens or some bogus 5T or 8T are the only hands it improves against the jacks.