To those pro life.....

[elwoodblues]

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If you believe in a soul, I cannot see how you could support abortion

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You could believe that humans aren't ensouled until later (birth, for example).

[lastchance]

True dat.

[Cyrus]

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I interpret these passages [from the Bible] as saying the unborn fetus is a human being, not some piece of protoplasm to be cut up and thrown in a dumpster.

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We cannot take the word of the religious books as verbatim, scientific truths. They are not and were not meant to be. They were moral codes for human behavior. If we accept the Bible's rulings on one issue, uncontested, we must accept everything.

Guess what? Man has progressed. (Religious folks think the oposite!) "Nothing is written". We don't have to accept anything uncontested!

Religion needs to be taken out of the discussion, unless we want to resort to an Iran-like theocracy. No two ways about it.

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You called a fetus a human being? An unfortunate slip, or do you really have a soul buried somewhere in there?

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A human fetus will grow to have the physical attributes of a human being. After birth, it will gain conscience and eventually will. Apologies for not being precise and comprehensive. (I never will.)

PS : I do not know what is this "Soul" you're talking about. I guess it's time to raid again the old collection.

[Cyrus]

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For the nonreligious, who do not believe in a soul, well, since I am one of them, I can easily see that position either.

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Serge Gainsbourg would be proud.

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[Cyrus]

No, because Cole Porter didn't know that it's the male seahorse that gets knocked up and has to carry the fetus around till birth!

[Broken Glass Can]

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No, because Cole Porter didn't know that it's the male seahorse that gets knocked up and has to carry the fetus around till birth!

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You are showing your ignorance here. Unlike mammals, who have live births, seahorses lay eggs (like birds and fish [they actually are fish btw, not horses [img]/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img]]).

Carrying around fertilized eggs in a sac is not the same thing as being pregnant (or "knocked up" as you call it).

Do you consider a bird's nest to be pregnant too? [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

[Cyrus]

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Seahorses ... are fish btw, not horses.

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I have won many bets involving seahorses. To show.


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Unlike mammals, who have live births, seahorses lay eggs. Carrying around fertilized eggs in a sac is not the same thing as being pregnant.

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Yes, it is. They wear the same line of "comfortable" clothes.


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Do you consider a bird's nest to be pregnant too?

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Yes. With promises.