Face Down, Kings Up~ Thats the way, we like to !~@%@!$...

[pottie]

Sorry Mr Adsman, I fully understand the concept of a forum. I was asking why to bet rather than check-raise as was the advice given. I directed the question to Brad because it was his advice but anyone could answer (thanks to the guy that did).

Calling a raise, wouldnt you expect MP3 to bet if you check to him on the flop? But I must agree now that to bet is probably better.

[adsman]

My apologies. I misread your question. I take it all back. [img]/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img]

[SCfuji]

dang not sure i like playing this UTG+1 but i do like bringing it in for a raise if you do play it.

bet, 3-bet the flop and rest of the streets i like.

[prayformojo]

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Calling a raise, wouldnt you expect MP3 to bet if you check to him on the flop?

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At this level, without a read, I give a cold-calling MP3 credit for having exactly two cards. If checked to on the flop, he might bet a strong holding like AK; if he is aggressive, he might bet a marginal hand like a pocket pair 99 or lower; if he is aggressive and smart; he might bet a spade draw. However, if he is passive, he probably won't bet any of these hands. If the flop missed him completely, and there is a good chance it did, he almost certainly won't bet.

Why rely on an opponent about whom you know nothing to pump your pot? If you base your read of your opponent's hand on the fact that he coldcalled, you're probably reading way too much into the fish mindset.

[IsaacW]

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dang not sure i like playing this UTG+1 but i do like bringing it in for a raise if you do play it.

bet, 3-bet the flop and rest of the streets i like.

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Should KTs be raised in EP because we probably have the best hand? To improve our chances of winning if we flop a pair and fail to flush? Because KTs is almost as good as ATs, which is a raise in EP at a lot of tables?

[DMBFan23]

personally I limp KTs in EP at the slightly tighter 1/2 tables, I raise it UTG+2 sometimes. but I usually wait till MP. I can't fault a raise though, because you have a hand that plays well and figures to have an equity edge against loose players who will coldcall with a wide range of hands. the more loose-passive my table, the more I am inclined to raise it early.

[SlantNGo]

I fold KTs in EP at a very tight table (the ones I usually tend to leave) and limp at all others.

[Greg J]

KTs is, for me, a borderline hand. As a rule I raise both ATs and KJs, but just limp KTs. This does not mean raising is wrong.

[getting on soapbox]
I am going to say something that might be controversial: I think it is perfectly possible for us all to have slight differences in style and still be winning poker players. Some of us might check our sets on the turn when a face card hits to go for a checkraise. Some of us never do. Some of us mix it up, and some of us take chances to make bit pots by making fancy plays while other play it straight up hoping for callers. We can all be special little snowflakes people....
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(But only the some degree! I do think checking this flop was clearly wrong, especially with 2 spades out.)

[LotusBoy]

Any read on MP3? I think he has Aces up.

If MP3 is a good player and you think he knows you are a good player. Will anyone make a play on River to bluff-raise off a better two pairs? I found myself being target of that play sometimes.

[VBM]

wow, i thought this was already dead & buried by the time i'd get in this AM.

as many of you have already filled in for me (sorry to leave it out) villain, at the time, was an unknown quantity.

I check-raised this flop b/c a spade draw is possible, but i'm not getting one to fold by leading anyways. For the times my kings-up holds, i am raising for value. Plus I figured i might be able to trap BB for one or two as well. For those of you who advocated betting the flop, is it b/c you want to be sure to get $$ in the pot, or b/c the flopped 2-pair is too weak a holding for this type of play?

On the turn, my 1st impulse was "non-spade"
I am beaten by KA, AT or A3. However, A3 I didn't think would've called 2 cold, KA would've 3-bet me pre-flop, so that leaves AT. I decided to take my chances and lead. When I'm raised, I really wasn't sure if this was an overplayed AQ, a hyper-aggressive flush draw, or that AT i was guessing it might be. I was like, "ok, cheapest possible showdown from here on", so i call the raise and check/called the river.

villain shows QJo and MHING.

thanks all for your feedback!