Why I suck at MTT's...

[ddss6_99]

This is why I suck at MTT's...I apologize for format, I can't get the converter to work ATM...
***** Hand History for Game 1492989627 *****
uknowimnice: :
150/300 TourneyTexasHTGameTable (NL) (Tournament 8999239) - Wed Jan 26 00:14:53 EST 2005
Table Players Club Freeroll(222850) Table 35 (Real Money) -- Seat 6 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: sirius21 (2240)
Seat 2: VirtualAce (4912)
Seat 3: norrisbruce (8551)
Seat 4: JohnEMags111 (7606)
Seat 5: uknowimnice (1443)
Seat 6: SoleTrain (5943)
Seat 7: gvsulaker (1525)
Seat 8: Randomtaskk (3045)
Seat 9: Yournotfunny (5630)
Seat 10: Barclay009 (1612)
gvsulaker posts small blind (75)
Randomtaskk posts big blind (150)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to norrisbruce [ K [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ]
Yournotfunny folds.
Barclay009 calls (150)
sirius21 folds.
VirtualAce calls (150)
norrisbruce raises (500) to 500
JohnEMags111 folds.
uknowimnice folds.
SoleTrain folds.
gvsulaker calls (425)
Randomtaskk folds.
Barclay009 folds.
VirtualAce calls (350)
<font color="blue"> So I make my standard raise at the time and get 2 callers, no big deal </font>
** Dealing Flop ** : [ 8h, Qd, 2c ]
gvsulaker checks.
VirtualAce bets (275)
norrisbruce calls (275)
<font color="blue"> What I thought: WTF is that? I raised to 500 PF and you have the balls to bet 275 into MY pot?!?! No way this is going down i'm calling this.</font>
<font color="red">What I should have thought: Hmmm he's a pretty TA player and called my PF raise. Now only that but he bet into me, another TA player, on the flop. HMM that bet is pretty small too. 275 into a 1650 pot smells fishy to me. </font>
gvsulaker folds.
** Dealing Turn ** : [ 8d ]
VirtualAce checks.
norrisbruce bets (2000)
<font color="blue"> What I thought: Damn right you better check. I knew you had nothing with that wimp bet on the flop. This is MY pot and you're folding RIGHT NOW!!!!</font>
<font color="red">What I should have thought: Hmm a bet then a check? I could try to push him out here, but he knows that I don't raise with BS so I can't imagine him putting me on an 8 I should just check behind and hope to hit an Ace or King on the river. </font>
VirtualAce raises (4137) to 4137
VirtualAce is all-In.
<font color="blue"> What I thought: [censored]</font>
<font color="red"> What I should have thought: [censored] </font>
norrisbruce calls (2137)
<font color="blue"> What I thought: No way! This guy is trying to put a move on me. WE MUST PROTECT THIS HOUSE!!! </font>
<font color="red"> What I should have thought: Well I've royaly fkd myself this hand. I should just cut my loses now and move on.</font>
** Dealing River ** : [ Ts ]
Creating Main Pot with $10624 with VirtualAce
** Summary **
Main Pot: 10624 |
Board: [ 8h Qd 2c 8d Ts ]
sirius21 balance 2240, didn't bet (folded)
VirtualAce balance 10624, bet 4912, collected 10624, net +5712 [ Jd Qs ] [ two pairs, queens and eights -- Qs,Qd,Jd,8h,8d ]
norrisbruce balance 3639, lost 4912 [ Kd As ] [ a pair of eights -- As,Kd,Qd,8h,8d ]
JohnEMags111 balance 7606, didn't bet (folded)
uknowimnice balance 1443, didn't bet (folded)
SoleTrain balance 5943, didn't bet (folded)
gvsulaker balance 1025, lost 500 (folded)
Randomtaskk balance 2895, lost 150 (folded)
Yournotfunny balance 5630, didn't bet (folded)
Barclay009 balance 1462, lost 150 (folded)


Seems like I do something along those lines to myself every time I'm making a good run in a tournament. At the time I had 9k in chips. The leader had about 15k and the blinds weren't too large yet. I'm just too damn stubborn on some hands and it comes back to screw me. Anybody else have this problems and/or a way to try to fix it?

[boedeker]

yeah thats [censored] up.

[ddss6_99]

no kidding

[young nut]

I used to get myself into this problem as well. Most MTT strategies say to bet out on a flop with hands like AK or AQ even if you miss, also only if it is 2 or 3 handed. On flops like this it is tough to play hands like AK.

I really hate your call on the flop here. If you are going to continue with the hand, at least raise the bettors small little bet on the flop (3x what he bet at least here). If he calls, try to just check behind on the turn. Try not to get yourself too involved after the flop unless you improve. Thats usually the strategy I take, unless I have a really strong read that the guy is on a small pocket pair or he is making a move.

[sfwusc]

Pride isnt needed in MTT. Fold the flop. So they knew/think you had AK. When you have KK next time and bet 3bb they will call thinking he has AK.

Play to survive----fold the flop and say good bye to 1/19 of your stack. Not a big deal!

[RBT]

Yea, probably should have mucked on the flop or raised and then checked down most likely if he called. Atleast, you'd have gotten away much cheaper. Of course, if he re-raises the flop or bets into you on the turn, then it's an easy muck.

I have the same problem in MTT's, usually build up a nice stack and then pi$$ away most of that in a hand where I should have just mucked it after the flop. Then I can't sleep because I'm re-playing the hand in my head all night.

[Soul Daddy]

Do you normally adjust your standard pf raise to account for limpers? With two limpers already in the hand, I'm trying to take it down with a bigger raise than my standard 3-4x. That should prevent very marginal hands like QJ from seeing this flop.

[Whitey]

If I have raised pre-flop theres no way Im laying my hand down to a weak bet on the flop unless I think its a fishy bet and he wants me to reraise.

You should have raised his flop bet,if he calls then you can decide what to do on the turn,although you will probably either be re-raised by a superior hand,or win the pot there and then.

[jackdaniels]

Very good point!

With 2 limpers you must increase the size of your raise. Raising to T500 made the pot T1050 (SB+BB+2 limpers+your bet) and the limpers only need to add T350 - essentially getting 3 to 1 on their money. Unless they KNEW you had a pocket pair (higher than both their overcards (in Vilains case - you would have to have KK or AA) - they are making a correct call to see the flop.

Others have commented on post flop play already.

[OatmealJoe]

Nice what-i-thought, what-i-should-have-thought analysis of the hand. I agree that a slightly larger PF raise might help. I personally would have just called the flop, checked the turn and folded the river without improving.