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#12
10-19-2002, 09:34 PM
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Re: $80-$160 Hand
Jim,
Well, it wasn’t exactly the cover but thanks anyway. The lower middle section is doing better (4/8 to 8/16) since we went back to two blinds and made some other changes (e.g., no jackpot drop on no flop). I’m slowly gaining influence and am trying to get better procedures and fairer drops adopted. It is a long process but I’m in it for the haul. The Top Section holdem struggles compared to Commerce, but the games can often be good and stay good since it isn’t so easy to change tables with two 20/40 games and a must move. Regarding holdem, we mostly have 20/40 and some 40/80. We are trying to get a 12/24 going but it is my belief that we have to kick it off with an incentive targeted at that game only. Many around town want to play this limit at the Bike (in my honest opinion, it is the most comfortable place in town) but they need the assurance of action. Recently, we switched from time to drop on the 20/40 holdem (I’m in favor or time charges, but will do what I can to make the drop better for the players). Right now the drop for 20/40 and 12/24 holdem is $3 nine and eight handed, $2 seven and six handed, and $1 five handed or less. We drop a modified drop of $1 if there is no flop. Naturally, I’m trying to see if we can lower the modified drop (state law is a problem as far as “no flop no drop”) and take less short-handed (baseline data for this and other projects is why I’m posting some of these polls regarding hand speed). I’m playing a lot of 20/40 stud eight or better lately (I wonder if you saw my post(s) on the stud forum and repost on RGP where Russ G. responded and later slammed David). This is a strong game in our top section so I play it a lot after work. I made the mistake of not learning this game years ago because I falsely believed that you needed to master stud first. If anything, high stud players bring bad habits into the game. Hero is doing very well at this game, and hasn’t played a hand of high stud in her life. The Bike is a nice place to play and I hope to stay there for a long time. Our business can expand, and it doesn’t have to be at the expense of the Commerce. My philosophy is that the poker business pie can grow, so we can get a larger percentage AND help make a larger pie. But it takes doing just about everything right IMO. Regards, Rick 
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#15
10-20-2002, 12:16 AM
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Re: $80-$160 Hand
What's the proper O/U for when the U.S. will switch to metric? Hint: those of you who say it'll never happen are deluding yourselves.
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#16
10-20-2002, 09:20 PM
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Re: $80-$160 Hand
sounds like a loose wild game to me....
"I open with a raise under-the-gun having the As-Kd. An early player cold-calls. A middle player makes it 3-bets. The button calls. The small blind, who is a regular in this game, makes it 4 bets and everyone calls" maybe im too tight but i dont like my hand here. you raised and it comes back for 2 more bets, 1 raise is from the sb. unless this is a wild game, im thinking of folding here. i figure im behind, with some of my outs gone. and if i hit my hand, i may be in for a beating. suited id be more inclined to call, but you had a better read of the table texture than me. sooooo. the flop.... "The small blind bets. The big blind calls. I raise. The next player folds. The middle player who 3-bet preflop makes it 3-bets and it looks like he is about to go all-in. The button folds. The small blind folds. The big blind calls. I call" id say your ahead here of the BB. this is an auto raise for the sidepot hedgebet. i love being in this spot, though i dont like how you got there, *see above. when someone shows weakness to a near allin bettor, im pumping it if i have anything and am planning on calling the allin anyway. 1st question: complete the bet from $60 to $160 you missed your opportunity by raising the flop, or betting out on the turn. though if you bet out the BB couldve folded. the BB only calls so no way im folding this, you should be able to complete his bet, you didnt bet out, so it's not like your raising yourself. you should be able to do this. the cardroom where i play, you can. if not, then call. 2nd question: bet he hasnt shown any strength, though he may be a timid player whos checking a small flush. depends on your read. b
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#17
10-20-2002, 09:32 PM
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Re: Results: Anatomy of a Misplayed Hand
"Since I had checked, I could only call and not even complete the bet given that the all-in bet was less than half the normal turn bet"
where i play, if he made a bet with just more than 1/2 the bet then you can put a full raise out. say he bet $100, you could then make it $260. but with under 1/2 theyd let you complete. interesting, and it doesnt sound right.... what if.....the BB bet out only $60 here, going allin? does that mean you can only call $60? and he ends the action to only calls? that just doesnt sound right. could you explain this? id appreciate it [img]/forums/images/icons/grin.gif[/img] i agree with cooke's view of the flop, but im still not sure about the preflop call. b
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#18
10-21-2002, 02:58 AM
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Re: Results: Anatomy of a Misplayed Hand
Since the turn bet is $180, then $60 is less than one-half of the bet. I had already checked so I cannot complete the bet to $180. If I had not acted before the all-in player, then I could complete the bet to $180 but not raise to $240.
Now if the big blind went all-in for $60, then I can complete the bet to $180 since I had not had a chance to act.
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