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Old 01-22-2005, 06:43 PM
Dolus Dolus is offline
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Default Re: Rereading HEPFAP-- on check-raising

It depends...

Say you have A6 in the bb its a 6 handed unraised pot
flop comes down 65 2 rainbow.

sb checks, your turn...

Well you have top pair top kicker, pot was unraised so its unlikely anyone has an overpair your probably ahead but this hand is vulnerable (so many overcards can beat you).
Plan- check and hope lp bets so i can check raise and thin the field.

To your surprise utg bets and it gets called in two more spots, now what?

Your plan was to checkraise a late position better and for good reason, your A6 is very vulnerable, there are many overcards here that can beat you and also a possible straight draw. You would have liked to try to thin the field but instead utg bet out and there are several callers.

Now what?

Well if you raise now your not likely to get rid of anyone
If your now hoping that if you raise that utg 3 bets it you'd be wrong. you're not likely to have utg beat when he would 3 bet this board, he's not betting a flush draw he's unlikely to be betting overs into such a crowd he likely has a medium overpair.

Getting 9:1 and closing the action you can go ahead and call here.

I can think of many situations like this but usually when you derive a correct initial plan and something surprising happens it radically changes the situation and you need to completely re-evaluate.

In some cases your plan to check raise a lp is your only option and when it doesn't happen that way you have to release your hand. Remember when you planned your check raise you did so with less info then when the action gets back to you. You have to evaluate that action and re evaluate your hand its not automatic and it depends.
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Old 01-22-2005, 09:11 PM
BigRedDog22 BigRedDog22 is offline
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Default Re: What is meant by TPTK? -NT

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Old 01-23-2005, 01:35 AM
schroedy schroedy is offline
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Default Re: What is meant by TPTK? -NT

Top Pair, Top Kicker.
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Old 01-23-2005, 04:07 AM
SA125 SA125 is offline
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Default Re: Rereading HEPFAP-- on check-raising

I saw where Miller notes Gary Carson's book in SSH and after reading thru it know why. It's pretty good. Roy Cooke's "Play of the hands" is sharp. Vorhaus gives a different take that's worth checking out. Good reading.
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