need more experience...or balls?

[mason55]

Why in gods name would you check? Do you hate money? That's the only reasonable explanation...

[edge]

My standard raise is 4xBB + 1 for each limper. Here, I'd probably make it around .60 (.50 for each limper to call).

[boondockst]

not assuming anyone else feels/sees this but with UB's "bet pot" button, any raises above or below the pot are looked at very strangely and suspiciously

[Kaz The Original]

This is horrible unless you are REALLY BAD at post flop play. Infact, if you were PERFECT at post flop play you might want to min raise. If you were the worst post flop player ever you would want to push. If you are somewhere in between, you raise x4 or x5.

The reason for this is, any money you get in preflop works for you over the long run. Now, lets say your opponent had a 1 in 10% chance of flopping a hand that beats yours. If you put 11% of your stack in preflop, you could make a profit by auto pushing any flop. Think it over, and you will understand this.

Now, post flop play is not nearly this simple but with AA your opponent has a 1 in 8 chance of out flopping you with a pocket pair, and I assume (this could be wrong) that a nonpaired hand has a smaller chance of out flopping you.

So, a very basic way to play AA would be to raise 1/8th your stack and then push the flop.

In reality you can make more than this by getting away from your AA when it is beat by a set. This takes experience and practice.

Now, your hand actually makes MOST of it's money from people playing crap like KJ and the flop comes K104 and you get some money in.

In short, don't worry about getting out flopped, bet x5 the BB, and keep betting the pot.

This post really meandered alot but I am just trying to impress on you how preflop -> post flop connect. There's a lot more to be said here, and I hope to say it someday.

[boondockst]

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If you put 11% of your stack in preflop, you could make a profit by auto pushing any flop.

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i know but then last night in the $5K my AA ran into a KQ that flopped KKQ...i actually had the out of a royal flush on the river though....anyway

I understand you win in the longrun betting any amount on any street with AA but i just felt like i'd be a moron to keep calling.....like i had a guy CALL an all-in on the river with a 4flush on the board and he didn't have it...i didn't want to be like that....and ignore the obvious possibilities on the board...

[Kaz The Original]

A) You cannot make a profit long run by betting with AA on any street.
B) Folding AA post flop is fine. That is not at all what I was trying to say.

[boondockst]

i didn't mean for you to take my statement literally....

Other than pot odds, i still can't see pushing the rest on that board.......but ok

[theredpill]

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Why in gods name would you check? Do you hate money? That's the only reasonable explanation...

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NO, I like money. YOu are the mistaken one. Deception, of course. Look at this.

Result
http://twodimes.net/h/?z=724460
pokenum -h ac ad - kd td - js kc - qc 9c
Holdem Hi: 1086008 enumerated boards
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
Ac Ad 696955 64.18 385603 35.51 3450 0.32 0.643
Kd Td 135914 12.52 941267 86.67 8827 0.81 0.128
Js Kc 88686 8.17 988495 91.02 8827 0.81 0.085
Qc 9c 155626 14.33 926932 85.35 3450 0.32 0.144

Three other players in. These are hands a decent player might play preflop. He hits top pair of kings and has no idea you have a pair of aces. You win big.

I should add that the only way you make money by limping with A A is with good reads on players and the willingness to fold them if you feel you are beat.

[theredpill]

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Now, lets say your opponent had a 1 in 10% chance of flopping a hand that beats yours. If you put 11% of your stack in preflop, you could make a profit by auto pushing any flop. Think it over, and you will understand this.


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This is if both stacks are equal. It really comes down to who has the smallest chip stack. You would base your preflop raise on this. Because if he hits a hand, you will put him all-in because you have A A and can't drop it normally. If you have the small stack, he hits a hand, he's probably going to have to put you all-in .

[kim2005]

It is very common in micro and don't be feel sad when u lose like this, they will pay u off for long run
Never fold hand on river like this when the pot is that large.