AQs, Bad pre flop call?

KLGambiT · #1 01-19-2005, 04:46 PM

Feel free to flame me on the preflop call, i was in the mood to gambool [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] anything else in this hand i should have done differently? possibly a bad turn bet, anyway take a look, thanks.

Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (8 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is SB with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG raises, UTG+1 folds, MP1 3-bets, MP2 folds, CO folds, Button folds, Hero calls, BB folds, UTG caps, MP1 calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (13 SB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets, UTG raises, MP1 calls, Hero 3-bets, UTG calls, MP1 calls.

Turn: (11 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets, UTG calls, MP1 raises, Hero calls, UTG calls.

River: (17 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets, MP1 calls, Hero raises, UTG folds, MP1 calls.

Final Pot: 22 BB

davelin · #2 01-19-2005, 04:54 PM

Not sure what I think about the flop bet, definitely don't like the turn bet.

Nice c/r on the river.

Joe B. · #3 01-19-2005, 05:12 PM

on preflop, should you fold with AQs if it was raise and reraise before it got to you?

Knoler · #4 01-19-2005, 05:13 PM

PF call is a little loose, but sometimes make it depending on my reads of those two guys. Is one a nutball? Are they both tighties?

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Not sure what I think about the flop bet...

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I'm not thrilled with it. Your Q outs are poop. Your A outs are suspect, too. So, if you've got 9 cards to your flush then true, you've got a 35% pot equity. If everyone calls and *if* none of your clubs are gone, you're making money. But, making MP1 face two back to him with your raise makes it less likely he'll call.

The turn bet sucks IMO. You're not getting this field to fold, and your pot equity takes a big hit when you don't make your flush.

http://twodimes.net/h/?z=720256
pokenum -h ac qc - ad kc - qs qh -- 8h 7c 4c 2s
Holdem Hi: 42 enumerated boards containing 2s 7c 4c 8h
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
Ac Qc 8 19.05 34 80.95 0 0.00 0.190
Kc Ad 5 11.90 37 88.10 0 0.00 0.119
Qs Qh 29 69.05 13 30.95 0 0.00 0.690

So, you're no longer making money on every call they make. You should just see the river as cheaply as possible.

Regards,
-Brian

KLGambiT · #5 01-19-2005, 05:17 PM

Thanks for the info guys

Reqtech · #6 01-19-2005, 05:25 PM

I would've capped it pf. Would've check called on the turn. With an already big pot, I would've gone ahead and bet out on the river.

If it was unsuited, I would've folded pf.

Knoler · #7 01-19-2005, 05:43 PM

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I would've capped it pf.

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IMO you're spewing chips with this move. You're dominated too often to make this profitable with your high cards alone, and with only 2 customers, you won't make enough when you hit your flushes.

If you have reads on one or both opponents to say they're very loose raisers / maniacs then my statement would change.

Regards,
-Brian

Reqtech · #8 01-19-2005, 05:46 PM

True. It's hard to say with no reads. But then again, this is Party Poker .50/1, and I will play AQs very aggressively until I am shown otherwise that I'm against a TAG or Rock.