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Old 01-19-2005, 05:29 AM
piocet piocet is offline
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Default Are they cheating?

I ran into this hand that frustrated me.

Party 5/10 full table. I had AQs in early position. I raised and were called by two MPs who posted blinds. Both just sit in and that was their first hand.

Flop came AKx rainbow. I bet, both called.

Turn was a blank. I bet, MP1 called and Mp2 raised. I called and MP1 called.

River was another blank. I was hoping to see a K or Q but neither got there. So I was considering if I needed to make the crying call. Surprisingly, MP1 bet and MP2 raised immediately. I fold and MP1 reraised with no hesitation at all and MP2 folded!?!?

More information on MP1 and MP2. I had no record on them before that hand. MP1 played only 5 hands and left. He saw flop only once. Later, MP2 turned out to be a complete fish seeing almost every flop.

So my question is: are they cheating? It would be stupid to try to force an EP raiser out by playing like that with nothing on the AKx flop, but they could be that stupid.

Thoughts?
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Old 01-19-2005, 06:05 AM
KidNapster KidNapster is offline
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Default Re: Are they cheating?

While that is a sketchy hand...
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MP2 turned out to be a complete fish seeing almost every flop.

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Weak players make strange/weak plays. One hand isn't enough to sling around those kinds of accusations.... especially since this was the one and only hand you observed them in together. Also, a real hand history would be nice. What was x? What was the turn? What was the river?
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Old 01-19-2005, 11:50 AM
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Default Re: Are they cheating?

There should be a rule against collusion posts that don't provide the exact cards. The answer is probably in the "blanks".
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Old 01-19-2005, 01:50 PM
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Default Re: Are they cheating?

Email the hand number to Party. Say it looked a little funny and you'd appreciate it if someone looked at it. Don't be a prick about it or jump to any conclusions.

This is the kind of stuff your rake pays for.
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Old 01-19-2005, 01:59 PM
sthief09 sthief09 is offline
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Default Re: Are they cheating?

most likely not
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Old 01-19-2005, 02:09 PM
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Default Re: Are they cheating?

Why would you say that? They are blanks so that there is no str8 or flush possiblity. I don't see how 289 and 726 are different in this case.
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Old 01-19-2005, 02:13 PM
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Don't screw around with this and speculate what may or may not be going on. Send it to the game integrity folks and feel comfortable that there are in fact no monsters hiding under the bed.
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Old 01-19-2005, 02:13 PM
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Later, MP2 turned out to be a complete fish seeing almost every flop.


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Isn't this really the explanation for the hand rather than collusion.
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Old 01-19-2005, 05:57 PM
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Default Re: Are they cheating?

but the play by MP1 still does not make sense.
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Old 01-19-2005, 06:02 PM
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Default Re: Are they cheating?

I didn't jump to any conclusion. I was hoping someone had experienced similiar situations could share some information.
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