Party Step 5

[Hotchile]

All comments welcome on this.

Entry was $1065. Fourth place pays $1200, First $4500
Hotchile


***** Hand History for Game 1448696125 *****
300/600 TourneyTexasHTGameTable (NL) (Tournament 8744633) - Mon Jan 17 00:56:17 EST 2005
Table Step 5 983423 (Real Money) -- Seat 10 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 2: DaxDiamond (1952)
Seat 4: Dellefield (640)
Seat 7: texrodeo (2148)
Seat 8: SwiftSteal (1680)
Seat 9: Fishie (2380)
Seat 10: actionmonkey (1200)
DaxDiamond posts small blind (150)
Dellefield posts big blind (300)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Fishie [ Qs, Qc ]
texrodeo raises (600) to 600
SwiftSteal raises (1680) to 1680
SwiftSteal is all-In.
Fishie????????????????? What is the best play here?

[Myst]

If you didnt call, you probably folded the best hand.

Blinds are huge at this point. Many people are taking chances with AJ, AT, TT type hands.

[citanul]

I'm guessing that he is talking about prize payout considerations, not just "do I have the best hand" type decision processes. There's one short stack, one hurting stack, another stack will be hurting at best after this hand.

Personally, I think this is an overpush situation. But I think a lot probably depends on how often this is going to be your game of choice. If you are playing one step 5 ever, and want to try to maximize your earn this one time, as opposed to playing them as your main game, your play may be to fold here. I think that if this game is your normal game, folding here is probably pretty bad.

Then again, I'm sleepy as all [censored], so I could be rambling.

citanul

[Apathy]

Push this, then take your chips out of the pot and push it again

[Daliman]

[ QUOTE ]
All comments welcome on this.

Entry was $1065. Fourth place pays $1200, First $4500
Hotchile


***** Hand History for Game 1448696125 *****
300/600 TourneyTexasHTGameTable (NL) (Tournament 8744633) - Mon Jan 17 00:56:17 EST 2005
Table Step 5 983423 (Real Money) -- Seat 10 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 2: DaxDiamond (1952)
Seat 4: Dellefield (640)
Seat 7: texrodeo (2148)
Seat 8: SwiftSteal (1680)
Seat 9: Fishie (2380)
Seat 10: actionmonkey (1200)
DaxDiamond posts small blind (150)
Dellefield posts big blind (300)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Fishie [ Qs, Qc ]
texrodeo raises (600) to 600
SwiftSteal raises (1680) to 1680
SwiftSteal is all-In.
Fishie????????????????? What is the best play here?

[/ QUOTE ]

I shudder at the thought that you may be serious...

[Dominic]

I understand you want to sweat out your chip lead until two more players bust out, but really, what hands do you put the pusher on? There's only three you're at all worried about, right? and one of those you're still favored over.
It could be AQ or AK but it smells more like a mid PP to me...

You've got the third best starting hand in poker against six players...you must push and solidify your chip lead.

But I guess it all depends on whether you want 1st or are you just happy to make the money?

If it's the latter, I suppose folding is an option.

[david050173]

[ QUOTE ]
If you didnt call, you probably folded the best hand.

Blinds are huge at this point. Many people are taking chances with AJ, AT, TT type hands.

[/ QUOTE ]

I haven't played the step 5 but I don't fear the pusher. If it was just the all in, that is an easy call. The UTG miniraise before the allin worries me some more. That is super common move with AA in 20-50 sngs. If UTG had never miniraised before, I might think about it before deciding I am not good enough to fold QQ preflop.

[REL18]

Never play poker again if you didnt push this or call whatever.

[curtains]

Put all chips in. If you are really worried about making the money because you started at some kind of $11 step, there are good chances you'll end up coming in 4th ahead of the BB even if you lose the hand, as he will be very shortstacked. This shouldn't be relevant, but it's just one extra reason to play the hand.

[Gigabet]

You should fold here, you have enough chips to steal at will, and you have an utg raiser and a solid player reraising that raise, add to that, the solid player KNOWS this hand will get shown down. People who are saying that you should call are wrong. How many times will your QQ realistically hold up here, and how much added equity does that give your tourney? If you fold, your equity is lower, but with the blinds fairly high, and your stack being slightly above the field average, you can steal easily and hopefully make what was in the previous pot with a lot less risk to your stack.

There are only two hands that I can see the raiser raising with, that you can beat with no coin flip(and you should definitely fold to a coin flip), AQ(which is unlikely,since you hold 2 of them) and JJ. So basically, you can put the raiser on one of 4 hands, and 3 of them you don't want to be in against, JJ, AK, AA, and KK. Suppose you get lucky and she has JJ, now what if UTG has one of the other 3?

If your stack was very short I would call, taking a coin flip isn't so bad when you know you cannot steal your way to victory, and it could be your last opportunity.

I also fold KK here, but I don't think that is something you should do. If it were level 3 or 4 then I would play the KK, but every time I take the blinds it is a huge boost to my stack, so I just don't take the chance that a dry ace will beat me, or that AA is out there. One of the few situations where I think laying down KK is a good fold for someone who knows the players very well, and knows the best spots to steal.