Why you don't slow-play aces

solring · #1 01-09-2005, 04:54 AM

My friend in this hand had played 22 consecutive hands.

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Preflop: Hero is BB with T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
1 fold, UTG+1 (DOOFUS) calls, 6 folds, Hero checks.

Flop: (2.50 SB) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, DOOFUS calls.

Turn: (2.25 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, DOOFUS calls.

River: (4.25 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, DOOFUS raises, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 8.25 BB

Results:
Hero has Tc 3d (two pair, tens and threes).
DOOFUS has As Ad (one pair, aces).
Outcome: Hero wins 8.25 BB.

Nick C · #2 01-09-2005, 08:26 AM

I see your point, but if Villain doesn't fold until it's hopeless anyway (as his 22 consecutive hands and his limp with T3o suggests), then Hero would've lost one SB more by raising preflop.

Ordinarily, when I'm in the big blind and I have aces and there's a single limper to me, I check (unless my opponent is very loose-passive or tends to play aggressively when bet into or raised), hoping to get action on later streets. Against opponents who will fold if they don't flop much, there is a greater chance of losing this way, but usually you'll win, and the pot will probably be bigger when you do.

Against Villain, however, I would have raised, figuring he'd call me down anyway.

Vern · #3 01-09-2005, 10:00 AM

He didn't limp with T3o, he got to see the flop for free because the aces failed to raise pre-flop, hit part of it an bet, perfectly reasonable. On the turn he hit two pair is now gonna see a showdown with it. Regardless of how many hands were played previously, Hero played this just fine. Aces need to raise-pre-flop, especially if he knows he has loose opponents because he pushes his equity when he really is ahead.

Vern

Nick C · #4 01-09-2005, 01:28 PM

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He didn't limp with T3o, he got to see the flop for free because the aces failed to raise pre-flop, hit part of it an bet, perfectly reasonable.

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Oops, you're right. I misread the hand and got the players mixed up.

So here's my new assessment:

Hero played the hand like I would have.

If I were villain and for some reason hadn't raised preflop, I would have raised the turn.

soko · #5 01-09-2005, 02:51 PM

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had played 22 consecutive hands.

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And your not going to cap the river?

solring · #6 01-10-2005, 02:22 AM

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had played 22 consecutive hands.

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And your not going to cap the river?

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With middle two pair?

Nick C · #7 01-10-2005, 02:34 AM

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had played 22 consecutive hands.

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And your not going to cap the river?

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With middle two pair?

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In my opinion, just calling the river raise is best. The raise looks like something like Q2 to me.