JJ, I"m a calling station

brettbrettr · #1 01-09-2005, 10:18 PM

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Preflop: Hero is CO with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, MP3 folds, Hero raises, Button folds, SB 3-bets, BB folds, Hero calls.

Flop: (7 SB) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets, Hero calls.

Turn: (4.50 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets, Hero calls.

River: (6.50 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 8.50 BB

Check-call the flop, raise the turn? Raise the flop?

wuarhg · #2 01-09-2005, 10:24 PM

No reads? I feel like raising this flop and getting 3-bet, then folding the turn unimproved. Only hand you're pretty much ahead of here is TT. Sometimes i'll fold the flop for one SB if I know he's somewhat tight, is this bad?

Rubeskies · #3 01-09-2005, 10:24 PM

Against an unknown 3-betting hands are generally, AA-TT and AK maybe AQ.

Against AA-QQ and AK you're a pretty big underdog. Against an unlikely JJ you tie. And you're still ahead of TT and the possible AQ but the AQ has 6 outs against you. This is a pretty bad position to be calling down 2.5 big bets to win what is a 4 big bet pot back to you on the flop.

brettbrettr · #4 01-09-2005, 10:24 PM

No reads, none.

Withen · #5 01-09-2005, 10:30 PM

I might've taken your line if I thought the SB though you were attempting to steal the blinds with a mediocre hand. Without a read, that can be tough to tell, but it makes it a little more likely that SB is using a scary board to push you off the pot with nothing. I'm not sure it's worth calling down though, since the pot is so small and there are so many overcards. A reraise at some point, probably the flop, would've given you a better idea as to where you stood.

pokerjunky · #6 01-09-2005, 10:54 PM

If you want a cheaper showdown raise the flop and check through on the turn, then call the river.

arkady · #7 01-10-2005, 01:42 AM

so whats the question?

if you want to find a fold, then you would want to find a raise.

Gatts · #8 01-10-2005, 01:43 AM

And when you get 3-bet 85% of the time here, what're you doing?

mtdoak · #9 01-10-2005, 03:13 AM

I raise the flop and fold to a 3 bet.