KK....slow down?

Spartan1983 · #1 01-09-2005, 11:13 AM

I think this is standard. You can't put anyone on 4 4 can you? Anyone slow down? I'm posting it because it's the biggest pot that I've been personally involved in to the river.

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. MP1 posts a blind of $3.
UTG raises, UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 calls, MP1 (poster) folds, MP2 folds, Hero 3-bets, CO folds, Button folds, SB calls, BB calls, UTG caps, UTG+2 calls, Hero calls, SB calls, BB calls.

Flop: (21.50 SB) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (5 players)
SB bets, BB calls, UTG raises, UTG+2 folds, Hero 3-bets, SB calls, BB caps $7.5 (All-In), UTG calls, Hero calls, SB calls.

Turn: (18.25 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players, 1 all-in)
SB checks, UTG bets, Hero raises, SB calls, UTG 3-bets, Hero caps, SB calls, UTG calls.

River: (30.25 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players, 1 all-in)
SB checks, UTG bets, Hero raises, SB calls, UTG 3-bets, Hero caps, SB calls, UTG calls.

Final Pot: 42.25 BB

wuarhg · #2 01-09-2005, 11:15 AM

With no reads I wouldn't put him on 44. I mean he raised preflop UTG and then capped. He probably had 44 since you posted anyway? [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

DemonDeac Holding Rockets · #3 01-09-2005, 11:28 AM

Don't even consider 44 with a capped PF.

splashpot · #4 01-09-2005, 11:30 AM

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Don't even consider 44 with a capped PF.

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Not saying you should assume he has 44, but you'd be surprised what people call with preflop. I've seen capped preflop calls with KTo and worse.

Vern · #5 01-09-2005, 11:47 AM

You have the second nut and two opponents still putting money in the pot(another went all-in). For your opponent to have the nuts you have to believe he would cap with a baby pair pre-flop. You have to cap all streets in such a situation even if you ultimately came in second because you make more in the long run than when you lose to quad 4's. I think TT is much more likely given the pre-flop action or even an overplayed AK.

If you did lose to quad 4's, at leasts you can feel comfortable in the knowledge he didn't make up enough in turn/river bets to cover the loss he payed pre-flop and on the flop. Implied odds be damned.

Vern

Spartan1983 · #6 01-09-2005, 12:14 PM

I wasn't paying a lot of attention because I was 3 tabling and not playing many hands at this table. Checking PT after the fact SB is TA-N thru 125 hands, BB LA-A 92 VPI 14 PFR, UTG sLA-A only 12 hands and he left after this hand.

Vern · #7 01-09-2005, 12:20 PM

With those reads, I just don't give UTG credit for open raising and then capping with 44 so I would not slow down. If you did lose this, you next post should be in the internet forum about how the sites are rigged or someone has a working pattern mapper [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

Vern

MHarris · #8 01-09-2005, 01:11 PM

This is the standard of standardness.