AQo unimproved, bet or check behind on 5th street flush card?

belloc · #1 01-08-2005, 03:42 PM

Is this an obvious river bet in position here, or is a check behind okay with the scary river card? I have less than two orbits on the villain in MP1, but he's played about half those hands and not yet raised a pot. No reason to believe he's being tricky here, but any pair wins for him, even the river club doesn't make him his flush.

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Preflop: Hero is MP2 with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
2 folds, MP1 calls, Hero raises, CO calls, 3 folds, MP1 calls.

Flop: (7.50 SB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
MP1 checks, Hero bets, CO folds, MP1 calls.

Turn: (4.75 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
MP1 checks, Hero bets, MP1 calls.

River: (6.75 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
MP1 checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot: 6.75 BB

Avatar · #2 01-08-2005, 03:44 PM

Checking the river is the right thing to do.

I think betting the turn was close.

7ontheline · #3 01-08-2005, 03:51 PM

Yeah, check the river against this type of player - you know he's not folding, even if all he had was 54o or something else stupid. You have almost no fold equity, and you whiffed on your overcards. I agree that the turn bet was probably marginally +EV at best - you have no clue if your hand is the best against this type of loose-passive. Why pay more than yuo have to, especially if he won't really bet his own hands either? Just pound him next time when you hit your flop.

SamIAm · #4 01-08-2005, 04:30 PM

Does everybody agree with the flop bet? (I think I do, but I want more comments on it.) I've been questioning my Overcards-with-position bets on the flop, recently. Are they worth it, with this loose passive crowd? I feel like I'm just punching a pillow, and they just take it and wait for the turn to find their paired duece.

How worried are you about being reverse dominated?
-Sam

Hawkeye27 · #5 01-08-2005, 05:02 PM

Definately a check on river. I tend to bet this turn because there are so many non-pair hands this guy will call the flop with, and its heads up. Should I slow down on this turn against calling stations?

Avatar · #6 01-08-2005, 05:41 PM

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Definately a check on river. I tend to bet this turn because there are so many non-pair hands this guy will call the flop with, and its heads up. Should I slow down on this turn against calling stations?

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It's a delicate situation but betting the turn with this board I believe will yield slightly +EV.

Redd · #7 01-08-2005, 06:00 PM

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Does everybody agree with the flop bet?

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IMHO, the flop bet into 2 players with strong overcards and a lame perfect-perfect straight on a moderately coordinated board is pretty standard, even if they are loose. You'd really like the button here, and even loose players can't fold unless you give them a chance.

Everyone's already said it already, but checking behind on the river is definitely standard - no better hands will fold and no worse hands will call.

And I'm gonna throw my hat into the "turn bet=marginal +EV" ring.

Redd

belloc · #8 01-08-2005, 07:14 PM

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Everyone's already said it already, but checking behind on the river is definitely standard - no better hands will fold and no worse hands will call.

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Of course, one reason I posted the hand was because Villain actually had a hand that (a) beats me, and (b) might fold to my river bet. Any guesses?