Play a few hand with me #2

[SossMan]

Hand 2:

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t100 (8 handed) converter

SossMan (t3190)
MP2 (t3865)
CO (t1970)
Button (t1265)
SB (t1220)
BB (t1905)
UTG (t2175)
UTG+1 (t545)

Preflop: SossMan is MP1 with 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
UTG folds, UTG+1 calls t100, SossMan calls t100, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 raises to t350</font>, CO folds, Button folds, SB folds, BB folds, UTG+1 folds, SossMan calls t250.

Flop: (t950) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SossMan bets t500</font>, MP2 calls t500.

Turn: (t1950) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SossMan bets t2340 (All-In)</font>, ...

[drewjustdrew]

Not sure I like the all-in bet on the turn. That is one of those situations where he only calls if he is ahead. I wouldn't put him on a draw other than AK or AQ. If he is only drawing to a 6 outer, don't you want him in. At this point, the only better hands than yours that you may get to fold are 88 or 99.

[Firefly]

I like it. Unless he has something like AT, TT or a set he is going to be hard pressed to make the call. I put him on the normal range of raising hands here and I doubt he has an overpair. Nice play.

[MWC]

My New Year's Resolution - post more, lurk less. So...

Same weak-tightish table as in Hand 1, I assume. With what hands would MP2 raise 2 limpers? Looks like AA-QQ or AK to me, but you know the guy. Maybe the flop call increases the chance of AK? If MP2 will fold some of those overpairs, then the turn push looks like a good idea, but I probably don't play it that way against the only stack that has me covered.

[SossMan]

If he has ace-face, he has 10 outs, not 6. 19 if they happen to be hearts.

carry on.

[drewjustdrew]

You are right with the 10 outs. I don't tend to give much credit for flush draws heads up, when the draw develops on the turn.

As you were...

[jakuda]

Why committ all your chips on the turn? Likely hands would be a 66 or bigger pocket pair, suited (not necessarily hearts) KQ or KJ, and then any "big" ace like AT-AK. I think a 2/3 to full pot sized bet would have been appropriate. Big cards that missed the flop will fold, and you're still charging a good amount if he got a flush draw. I think despite what hits on the river, it maybe correct to check the river. Assuming all your opponents are kind of weak-tight (per your first post) betting the river wouldn't gain you much unless they had a 88 or 99 and was afraid of the turn and river.

[SossMan]

1. my hand is vulnerable
2. the flop is draw heavy
3. he would seriously consider folding an overpair
4. any reasonable bet commits me, and the pot as it stands represents a good addition to my stack.

all these factors led to my pushing on the turn.

[Pat Southern]

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If he has ace-face, he has 10 outs, not 6. 19 if they happen to be hearts.

carry on.

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Would you be less inclined to push then if you had 66 because it negates 4 outs?

[SossMan]

less inclined, yes. I may still push, though.