Flopped quads against TA-A (suspected 2+2) pf raiser

frank_iii · #1 01-06-2005, 11:44 AM

Preflop raiser is TA-A and I suspect he's a 2+2er. I also suspect he knows I'm TA-A and a 2+2er. Button is a fish.

I don't know if I like my approach here. I didn't want to get too fancy but, at the same time, I didn't want to just bet out on the flop and have him raise, forcing the fish out. I toyed with the idea of betting out the turn, but was afraid the TA-A would smell something fishy and just call. I bet out the river in fear of it being checked through and in hopes of a raise.

I don't quite know what hand he could possibly put me on that he wouldn't raise me with, but, oh well. [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img] If I was in his place, I'd think the only reasonable holding that a TA-A can have UTG that beats him is 88. The only other reasonable holding that a TA-A would just call UTG with is KQo and his two pair beats that two pair. I probably would have played this more strongly in his position.

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Preflop: Hero is UTG with 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
Hero calls, UTG+1 calls, 1 fold, MP1 (TA-A) raises, 3 folds, Button calls, 2 folds, Hero calls, UTG+1 calls.

Flop: (9.50 SB) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 checks, TA-A bets, Button calls, Hero raises, UTG+1 folds, TA-A 3-bets, Button calls, Hero calls.

Turn: (9.25 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, TA-A bets, Button folds, Hero raises, TA-A calls.

River: (13.25 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, TA-A calls.

Final Pot: 15.25 BB

Entity · #2 01-06-2005, 11:49 AM

I'd bet the flop here, and depending on who calls and who folds to his inevitable raise, re-evaluate on the turn.

Rob

DMBFan23 · #3 01-06-2005, 11:54 AM

he also has to worry about A8s, and if he has AK then he has to worry about KK. I don't put him on KK though, he slowed down a little too soon for that.

frank_iii · #4 01-06-2005, 12:04 PM

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he also has to worry about A8s, and if he has AK then he has to worry about KK. I don't put him on KK though, he slowed down a little too soon for that.

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Yes, I missed that...I could have held A8s, in which case his fear is a bit more justified. But I just don't think he can put me on KK. That's what I was hoping HE had. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

meep_42 · #5 01-06-2005, 12:16 PM

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he also has to worry about A8s, and if he has AK then he has to worry about KK. I don't put him on KK though, he slowed down a little too soon for that.

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Just a side note - I cap every street with KK here, every time.

I like both the flop and turn c/r. Betting the river is right.

-d

btspider · #6 01-06-2005, 12:25 PM

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I'd bet the flop here, and depending on who calls and who folds to his inevitable raise, re-evaluate on the turn.

Rob

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ditto. button is more likely to call 2 cold than UTG+1. i'd probably 3-bet his raise and if he caps, look to check-raise the turn and trap the button if he's still around.

btw, you played it just fine.

frank_iii · #7 01-06-2005, 12:29 PM

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Just a side note - I cap every street with KK here, every time.

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Absolutely. BTW, I think I accidentally gave too much info in my original post that hinted at what he actually had, AA. I would have at the very least raised the river with AA in his position, suspecting a missed OESD or KQo.

kenberman · #8 01-06-2005, 12:49 PM

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Just a side note - I cap every street with KK here, every time.

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Absolutely. BTW, I think I accidentally gave too much info in my original post that hinted at what he actually had, AA. I would have at the very least raised the river with AA in his position, suspecting a missed OESD or KQo.

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Given the flop/turn action, I think raising AA on the river is too aggresive.