Whiffed River Value Bets?

Festus22 · #1 12-26-2004, 06:30 PM

Still struggling with river betting sometimes.

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Preflop: Hero is MP with J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG calls, Hero raises, Button folds, SB folds, BB calls, UTG calls.

Flop: (6.50 SB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets, BB calls, UTG calls.

Turn: (4.75 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets, BB calls, UTG calls.

River: (7.75 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot: 7.75 BB

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Preflop: Hero is CO with 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
UTG calls, MP calls, Hero calls, Button calls, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (6 SB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (6 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, MP bets, Hero raises, Button folds, SB calls, BB folds, UTG folds, MP calls.

Turn: (6 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, MP checks, Hero bets, SB folds, MP calls.

River: (8 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
MP checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot: 8 BB

Macdaddy Warsaw · #2 12-26-2004, 06:51 PM

I was about to say that I bet the river on the last one, but it's tough to say with two opponents who have been calling all the way. Against one, I bet...but they could have been calling with second pair or a weak Queen and the possibility that either has one scares me and makes me check the river.

Second hand, I think I raise the flop here most of the time, largely depending on whether MP is tight and might be limping with a better Ace (not usually the case). I think I bet the river against one opponent who bet the flop and then entered call down mode. Smells of a REALLY weak ace, like A2 or A3.

SmileyEH · #3 12-26-2004, 07:09 PM

First one I check, but it is close. Second is an easy bet IMO.

-SmileyEH

Gravy (Gravy Smoothie) · #4 12-26-2004, 08:26 PM

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First one I check, but it is close. Second is an easy bet IMO.

-SmileyEH

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Yup.

Tosh · #5 12-26-2004, 08:30 PM

I am betting both.

aflaba · #6 12-26-2004, 08:51 PM

I'd check the first one.
The 8 on the river means you don't beat many hands that would call you.

Qx and 8x beat you.

You beat players calling with 7x and random hands. I guess if you think they are the kind of players that would call all the way to showdown with random cards then you can bet. Otherwise - in most cases I believe - it is a check.

Second hand I'd bet.

Alobar · #7 12-27-2004, 06:03 AM

hand one I check. Hand two I bet.