Set over Set hand

[partygirluk]

This was hand two of a $16 Turbo. Anyone play this differently? Just bad luck? I think set over set is just one of those things, but perhaps my preflop call was loose. Only a small part of my stack, so I liked to call with a PP, but does the possibility of set over set swing this towards a fold? I weak lead at the flop as it was so draw heavy, I was pretty confident someone would reraise allowing me to push.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t20 (9 handed) converter

saw flop|<font color="#C00000">saw showdown</font>

CO (t1500)
Button (t1490)
<font color="#C00000">Hero (t1850)</font>
BB (t1500)
UTG (t1500)
UTG+1 (t1500)
<font color="#C00000">MP1 (t1420)</font>
MP2 (t1240)
MP3 (t1500)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG calls t20, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP1 calls t20, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises to t80</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero calls t70, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG folds, MP1 calls t60.

Flop: (t280) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets t120</font>, MP1 calls t120, CO folds.

Turn: (t520) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets t400</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 raises to t800</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t1650</font>, MP1 calls t420 (All-In).

River: (t3390) 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

Final Pot: t3390
<font color="#009B00">Main Pot: t2960 (t2960), between Hero and MP1.</font> &gt; <font color="#FFFFFF">Pot won by MP1 (t2960).</font>
<font color="#009B00">Pot 2: t430 (t430), returned to Hero.</font>

Results below:
Hero has 3h 3d (three of a kind, threes).
MP1 has 7s 7d (three of a kind, sevens).
Outcome: MP1 wins t2960. Hero wins t430.

[Evolution Crisis]

Be nice if you posted what your hand was

[obex]

There are "great" 2nd best hands that you are doomed to lose your stack on. Even if you played it less aggressively on the turn, it would be wrong to fold it to the raise given all the crazies out there and legitimate raising hands that you beat (87, A8, etc). If you called, he would have put you all in on the river.
I don't think the preflop call was to loose either, given the large starting stack on Stars. Nothing better (usually) then hitting your set against a preflop raiser who hits his top pair/top kicker. It's almost a guaranteed double up.
I think you chalk this up to bad luck, like being all-in with KK preflop and running into AA.

[dtbog]

Personally I hate 22-44, and wouldn't play them for that 4x BB raise this early in the tournament. That's my personal opinion, but between the set-over-set situation and the fact that you're putting so much of your stack in before the flop (relatively), I lay this down.

Also, when you made the call, you didn't know that MP1 was along for the ride -- you could have been heads-up, out of position, with 33.

As for the rest of the hand, I don't know how you can keep from getting it all in the middle when the ace hits. Many players early in SnGs will risk everything with a pair of aces - anywhere from AT to AK. Opponent's call on the flop could make you think, but you made a small enough bet that a lot of players wouldn't fold AK, either.

Maybe fold preflop -- but either way, tough beat.

-DB

[partygirluk]

How about if some complete blank falls on the turn such as the 2 of clubs?

[lorinda]

With that texture of board, there is no way you're escaping here.
Way too many non-set options for your opponent.

Lori

[partygirluk]

So has anyone ever laid down a set for fear of an over set?

[lorinda]

In a SNG it's tough, but if the board is something like Q [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 3 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] and the stacks are deep, then sometimes alarm bells need to go off.

I can't recall ever having done it though to be honest.

Lori

[captZEEbo1]

no. That's just one of those things I don't mind paying off. Like let's say I have KK preflop, I don't mind paying off AA even if I'm fairly sure they have it. Maybe it's just me. But yeah, in an sng, you should NOT be laying down a set for fear of an over set, that's how I play anyways [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img].

[curtains]

If you really were fairly sure someone had KK, you should fold it in some situations. Unfortunately it's very difficult to be so sure of that online.