When to muck set?

solring · #1 12-22-2004, 05:29 PM

[My first post for help.]

The following hand has me utterly baffled. Did I fold at the right time, or is there a point earlier that I should have done it?

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Preflop: Hero is MP2 with 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls, MP1 folds, Hero calls, MP3 folds, CO raises, Button calls, SB calls, BB folds, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (15 SB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (7 players)
SB checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 checks, UTG+2 bets, Hero raises, CO calls, Button 3-bets, SB calls, UTG calls, UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 calls, Hero caps, CO calls, Button calls, SB calls, UTG calls, UTG+2 calls.

Turn: (19.50 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (6 players)
SB bets, UTG folds, UTG+2 raises, Hero calls, CO calls, Button calls, SB 3-bets, UTG+2 calls, Hero calls, CO calls, Button calls.

River: (34.50 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (5 players)
SB checks, UTG+2 checks, Hero checks, CO bets, Button calls, SB calls, UTG+2 calls, Hero folds.

Womble · #2 12-22-2004, 05:31 PM

The 2 bets on the turn indicate a flush or even a higher set, fold there.

When the forth diamond hits, if your not out get out!

DMBFan23 · #3 12-22-2004, 05:35 PM

folding on the turn would be a disaster, you definitely have odds to hit your full house.

you can fold on the river with the 4 flush, with 4 callers you're never good here.

looks like SB had the flush on the turn, and CO had something with the A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] in it. maybe one of the other players had an overpair or a higher set, but who knows.

I think you played this one well.

Entity · #4 12-22-2004, 05:35 PM

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The 2 bets on the turn indicate a flush or even a higher set, fold there.

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This is terrible advice. Do not, DO NOT fold the turn. I might cap if I felt that CO and Button weren't likely to fold, but calling is fine. Folding is blatantly incorrect.

River play is tough. You're going to see a diamond out there fairly often, but I'll frequently bet the river and fold to a raise HU. In this situation, with a bettor and several overcalls, calling is probably a mistake, but I'd die if I folded a winner.

Rob

mmbt0ne · #5 12-22-2004, 05:36 PM

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The 2 bets on the turn indicate a flush or even a higher set, fold there.

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BOOOO!!!

Never fold hear unless you are almost 100% sure that someone has a higher set. Even if someone flips up the nut flush on the turn you should call. There are 10 cards in the deck that will give you a full house or quads. Folding this turn is a DISASTER.

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When the forth non-board-pairing diamond hits, if your not out get out!

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Fixed, even though I highly doubt that's a word.

DMBFan23 · #6 12-22-2004, 05:47 PM

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When the forth non-board-pairing diamond hits, if your not out get out!

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I agree with this statement particularly because if a 4th diamond that DOES pair the board appears, hero will have quads.
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mmbt0ne · #7 12-22-2004, 05:50 PM

Ok, so maybe he can't hit a board-pairing diamond here. Who are you to judge?! [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

In general though, keep that idea in mind. It makes for huge pots from the naked A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

DMBFan23 · #8 12-22-2004, 05:54 PM

oh no, its worse than I thought! he'll have quads in an illegal deck!

flair1239 · #9 12-22-2004, 06:34 PM

Nothing else you could do. BTW getting 38.5-1 I am calling the river, and I am not kidding.

Yobz · #10 12-22-2004, 06:50 PM

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Nothing else you could do. BTW getting 38.5-1 I am calling the river, and I am not kidding.

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Hmm, You have to be pretty much 98% sure to throw it away so maybe your right, but I'm almost 100% sure that he is beat here.