3/6 ASF% at Party skins has dropped to an alltime low

[party36master]

10,538 hands since 11/11 (date I bought PokerTracker)

ASF: 32.90
BB/100: 5.06

[sublime]

I'd much rather play in a game where people played by the book preflop and extremely poorly postflop than a game where people played with typical Party looseness preflop and then extremely well postflop.

if people played by the book preflop you would be heads up most hands. its going to take a pretty bad post flop player to make up for the missed preflop overlay, and if they are smart enough to play tight they wont be *horrible* post flop. i wasnt trying to downplay the importance of postflop play, nor thr profit potential of postflop mistakes.

if i can rephrase my statement i will say:

preflop mistakes are the easiest to notice, and best way to gauge the the profitabilty of a game.

[surfdoc]

I have about 30% as well for 35K hands. Games still seem soft and beatable though. No real change from aug/sept until now as far as ASF but I can't speak to 18 months ago as I wasn't playing Party then.

[mrgoodshot]

Fine, deleted.

[josh1122]

This thread has absolutely nothing to do with 2/4. No one is argueing that that game is not loose/passive and hasn't gotten progressively tighter in the last few months.

[scrub]

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preflop mistakes are the easiest to notice

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I agree.

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and best way to gauge the the profitabilty of a game.

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I do not agree.

I should have not used "by the book preflop."

I still think that a game where people played horrendously postflop and extremely tight preflop would be worth a lot of money, but it's a hypothetical that has little bearing on the discussion.

I think that over the ranges of preflop suck that are being reported here (from suck to slightly less suck), table ASF has substantially less of an impact on WR than the pre and postflop skill of the opponents on your right.

I don't have time to type more, but I've been thinking about this yesterday and will try to provide some justification later on today.

scrub

[Equal]

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I predict that within a year, a respectable winrate for Party $3/$6 will be >1 BB/100 4-tabling. The trend is that bad from what I've seen from my friends' play at small stakes full ring and my play at $5/$10 6-max. The increase in multi-tablers is unsustainable. Table selection is dead.

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The online sky is falling. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

[JinX11]

I haven't (but shortly will) read through this entire thread, but in light of some statistical measures worsening in 3/6, are (m)any of you seeing a drop in your winrates?? I am not. That's when you'll know things are getting tougher.

The easy tables are harder and less to find at 3/6, but even at off-peak hours, 2-3 are usually there; on the weekends, it is definitely like old times.

[SCfuji]

a bit off the post topic but...

i don't know how many of you do this, but i like to search all the players names at my tables and see how many tables they play at once. pokertracker/gt+ cannot tell you this information and i think it tells you a bit more about your opponents.

[Tosh]

Look, the hands they shouldn't be playing are the ones they play worst postflop; any idiot can play aces and kings reasonably.

If everyone played correctly preflop there would not be anywhere near as much profit to be had, it really is that simple. Don't forget rake either.