Kd5d with all diamond flop -- your move?

[ericlambi]

Hello 2+2 Small Stakes NL readers:

This was my first hand after virtually sitting at a $50NL table on PP last night:

Me: Kd5d in BB ($1).

Pre-Flop:
EP min raise $2, 4 or 5 callers, I call for $1 more.

Flop ($10 pot):

Td 9d 7d

(BINGO!)

I check.
EP bets $2.
MP raises to $4.
Folded around to me -- I go $16 (pot-size).
EP player raises all-in
MP player calls

What's your move? (Best to answer before reading results)

Notes: I now have $32 left. Pot is over $100. I believe both players had me covered.

Results as follows (highlight to read):

<font color="white"> I call. EP has Ad4d, middle position player has open ended straight flush draw with a made straight (J?8d). EP takes it down with two blanks on the turn &amp; river. </font>

[Benal]

Why call the raise if you plan on folding a flop like that?

[PoBoy321]

I think that that's kind of backwards logic to say "Well, you're playing the hand, you should go to the felt with it." I'll play 67s but that doesn't mean that i'll go broke on an 89T board. Regardless of whether or not you got your ideal flop, it's more important to judge based on your opponents play whether your hand is good, not whether you decided to play it in the first place.

Either way, I don't really think that there's anything you can do here. That's always the danger with playing suited cards without the A, you'll almost never have the nut flush (unless it's Kxs with the A on board). Either way, these stacks really aren't deep enough for you to be able to get away from this hand. Most of the time you'll be ahead and I think that there's really no way to get away from this.

[Fluffington]

I'm just a beginner but this seems like an easy call. There are only two hands which beat you and your opponents could make this play with any flush/straight/set.

[ericlambi]

Thanks for the response. My only thought at the time was that with 2 people all-in so quickly, the chances one of them had Ax of diamonds seemed pretty high. Still, I was getting a little better than 2-1 with the few dollars of dead money, and I hit the all-in button pretty quickly. I know though that I felt in my gut I was beat at the time and let logic and numbers make my decision. Just wondered if anyone else would have folded.

[TheWorstPlayer]

Definitely not. Good call.

[kyro]

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What's your move?

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poooooosh

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don't post results and we won't have this problem. if you think that's an [censored] way to say it....well yes, it is.

[AncientPC]

Push.

[FlushStraighted]

First of all i dont play that hand in a raised pot.
But you did play it and when you hit your flush you got what you wanted. But knew that you chose to draw to the 2nd nut. and your hand is still vunerable. When you bet after the flop and got re-raised that should have told you where you stand. I would have to get a good read on my opponent and may have laid the hand down. what did you feel? what were your gut instincts?
mine would have told me i was beat. but i might call anyways to to see it [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]..... depends.
JMO

[ginko]

Your K high flush is usually good here. Do you realize the odds of flopping a set over set? How about a flush over flush?

1% for a flopped flush.. now two flopped flush's is even more unlikely. And lets say that you know someone has the flush, theres 1 that beats you, and 10? that don't.

Ask yourself what hands your opponents would go to the felt with. Any flush, a lone Ad, any set, any twopair, any top pair, any overpair.

Id' say 98% of the time your ahead here.