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20/40 Chicago-casino ATs in BB
I've been playing for a few hours and have established myself as a tight player, aggressive when holding a good hand.
I'm sitting in the BB with ATs. One MP limps and CO limps. SB raises. SB is a decent player, but when raising in the SB, he is most likely raising with a premium hand (probably AKs, AA, KK, QQ, JJ). I call, MP and CO call. Flop comes A, T, x (rainbow). SB bets, I call, planning to raise the turn. MP and CO both call. Turn comes J (still rainbow). SB bets, I raise. MP 3-bets, CO cold-calls 3-bets!!. SB caps. What is my play here? (Results in white) <font color="white">I show my neighbor (friendly guy...we've been chatting a bunch throughout session), shake my head, and fold. River comes T completing my boat (though I folded). SB bets out again. MP raises. CO cold-calls 2 bets. SB 3-bets. MP and CO call. SB shows JJ for Jacks full. MP shows ATs for Tens full. CO shows KQs for nut straight. Everyone finds out that I folded ATs on turn for 2BBs and chastize me for folding the hand. The way I figure it was that I had very few outs if any at all. I put SB on a good hand, at the _VERY_ least (though unlikely), AJs, and other more likely hands after turn action were AA, JJ, KQs. I put MP on AT, AA, JJ, or KQ (or small set). I put CO on AT, JJ, or KQ (or small set). With these possible hands, I had almost no outs except the A or T both of which could be dead, especially if someone else had an A (reducing my outs).</font> Did I play poorly? What was the correct action with 17BBs in the pot (most likely both MP and LP were calling to make 19BBs in pot) and having to call 2BBs? |
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Re: 20/40 Chicago-casino ATs in BB
Perfectly played, IMO. You are getting only 8.5 to 1 on the turn, with 4 outs max, possibly drawing dead. Unless these are complete maniacs, you did good.
Edit: Actually although I like the turn fold, raising the flop would be better; you need to make KQ, KJ, or QJ pay to draw to their gutshot. |
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Re: 20/40 Chicago-casino ATs in BB
With that action in that game (Harrah's, right?), I think folding is the right play. With the semi coordinated board, however, I'd have raised the flop.
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Re: 20/40 Chicago-casino ATs in BB
I'd be more inclined to put the limpers on KQo KQs and JT than the hands you mentioned, but your play is right.
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Re: 20/40 Chicago-casino ATs in BB
The best case scenario is that you're drawing to four outs. Given the turn action, I think two outs or less is more likely. I think this is a good fold.
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Re: 20/40 Chicago-casino ATs in BB
[ QUOTE ]
I'd be more inclined to put the limpers on KQo KQs and JT than the hands you mentioned, but your play is right. [/ QUOTE ] yeah, perhaps i put their hands a little high, but i had been seeing a lot of passiveness out of MP preflop (like limping with KK and just calling a raise with JJ). |
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Re: 20/40 Chicago-casino ATs in BB
You're worst play was showing anyone your cards. On a very rare occasion (when I'm on tilt?), I'll do it too and it's just wrong, wrong, wrong! My new year's resolution is to not show a single hand I don't have to for the entire year of 2005. Not one! I'm looking forward to it.
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Re: 20/40 Chicago-casino ATs in BB
Good turn play. I agree with the poster that you should raise the flop to eliminate gutshots. They would have a hard time calling getting around 6:1 with the risk that SB is going to three-bet. If he does three-bet, you can just call and blow them out on the turn, which I think is better than capping the flop since they will call that too with a gutter.
I do it sometimes too so I am writing this for my benefit, but I think we would be better off if we resisted the temptation to show guys our hands. An air of mystery, keep em guessing, is better. |
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Re: 20/40 Chicago-casino ATs in BB
Beyond not showing anyone my cards, I resolve to implement a suggestion I read here a while back . . . In response to "Did you have . . . ?" I will ALWAYS reply, "Yes."
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