Advise on .5/1 vs 1/2 vs 2/4 party

[droolie]

You can't make your pf decisions based on a chart and expect to be a winner at the higher levels. The table dynamics (meaning the types of opponents you are up against) and number of players who have limped in front of you are just as important as position. The chart in SSH is a useful tool in teaching tight play to players who are way too loose pf. As you begin to develop your style a bit more you will frequently be raising hands that SSH recommends calling with. You will be mucking hands SSH recommends calling with. Why you will do this is because you know you are up against three LAG's who will make the hand you have unprofitable by raising and reraising behind you. Or conversely you will play more hands aggressively because you are up against a maniac you want to isolate or you want to steal from some mega-rocks.

[Jay36489]

Well, I was confident in my ability to beat .5/1 till I read those posts. Now you guys are freaking me out. Let me post some .5/1 stats and let me know what you think of them. I dont have the stats for my first 5000 hands but I have /5/1 for the last 8000. BB/100 over 8K hands 4.12. VPIP 17.31%, pre flop raise 5.24%, flop agg factor 1.44, turn 1.30, river .97, total aggression factor 1.38.

What other stats can I post? What am I doing wrong?

[hypermegachi]

VPIP is fine
preflop raise can go up to 8%
you're way too passive postflop. at the very least your total aggression should be 2.

[Jay36489]

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VPIP is fine
preflop raise can go up to 8%
you're way too passive postflop. at the very least your total aggression should be 2.

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So you're saying I should be betting/raising twice as much as I am calling? At 1/2 so far my total aggression is 1.74, flop 2.52, turn 1.90, river 1.21. Should all streets be over two? Should the flop be higher then 4th and 5th street?

[topspin]

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So you're saying I should be betting/raising twice as much as I am calling? At 1/2 so far my total aggression is 1.74, flop 2.52, turn 1.90, river 1.21. Should all streets be over two? Should the flop be higher then 4th and 5th street?

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For what it's worth, I'm at 2.81/2.46/2.28. I think the old hands around here are even higher. You might check out btspider's stat post for a baseline measure of a lot of the common stats.

[Jay36489]

Here are some more of my stats in the format that btspider has in his post.

Hands: 7.943
VPIP: 17.31
PFR: 5.24
VPIP from SB: 31.72
Saw Flop all hands: 23.86
Saw Flop not a blind: 15.59

Steal defence: N/A (far too small a sample size)
Attempt to steal: 7.81 (15 out of 192)

Won $ when saw flop: 25.49
Went to showdown: 30.87
Won $ at showdown: 60.17
Folded to river bet: 38.72

Aggression Factor:
PF:
Flop: 1.44
Turn: 1.3
River: .97
Total: 1.19

When Folds:
no fold: 9.24
PF: 75.92
Flop: 9.58
Turn: 3.54
River: 1.72

Check-raises: 31 times (.62% of possible actions)
6.45% on the flop
48.39% on the turn
45.16% on the river

Win-rate: 4.12 BB/100
Standard Deviation / 100: 12.14

Highest BB/Hand:
AA - 58 times - 84.48% win - 4.90 BB/hand
KK - 70 - 62.86 - 2.30
AKs - 42 - 57.14 - 2.10
JJ - 60 - 58.33 - 2.00
QQ - 52 - 61.54 - 1.64
TT - 62 - 50.00 - 1.15


Position stats (7-10 player hands only):
Position - VPIP/PFR - winrate
Button - 18.57/5.42 - .15 BB/hand
1 off - 19.03/6.78 - .13 BB/hand
2 off - 17.02/6.39 - .07 BB/hand
3 off - 16.85/5.95 - .12 BB/hand
4 off - 15.27/5.82 - .02 BB/hand
5 off - 14.57/6.19 - .04 BB/hand
6 off - 13.19/6.91 - .14 BB/hand
7 off - 10.31/5.67 - .07 BB/hand
BB - 11.88/3.09 - (.27) BB/hand
SB - 32.11/3.49 - (.10) BB/hand

How does all this look? My numbers seem to be similar to his but I'm not sure whqt to look for.

[DMBFan23]

well, sample size issues and all, but just going off a really quick read:

your aggression levels are low. this may be a symptom of a couple things:

*too much calling, particularly with hands that are bad
-from your VP%IP, it doesnt seem like you have a problem calling too much.

*not enough raising, particularly with good draws.
-post a hand where you flop the nut flush draw, or an OESD multiway - are you aggressive with these on the flop?
-might also be hands where you have two overcards, a backdoor flush draw, and a backdoor flush draw, and you are calling instead of raising.
-your turn and river aggressions are anemic. EDIT: not with draws, because I don't know how you play them. just in general.




your preflop raise is also low.


I'd post some hands if you aren't sure how you're playing some typical situations (TPTK, bottom two pair, etc)

[phixxx]

My PFR is 9.61, TOT-AF 2.66, and VPIP 19.35. I dropped my VPIP down from 25, would anyone consider a VPIP of 25 too high for 1/2? How are these stats?

[DMBFan23]

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would anyone consider a VPIP of 25 too high for 1/2?

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Yeah, that's loose. an astroglide or chris daddy might be able to get away with it due to mad postflop skillz, but for most that's too loose.

[phixxx]

Ahah, well I'm glad I dropped it then.