Value bet with middle pair?

[billyjex]

No reads on CO. BB is weak-tight.

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (9 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is Button with J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, MP1 calls, MP2 folds, MP3 folds, CO calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, SB folds, BB calls, MP1 calls, CO calls.

Flop: (8.50 SB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
BB checks, MP1 checks, <font color="#CC3333">CO bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, BB folds, MP1 folds, CO calls.

Turn: (6.25 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
CO checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, CO calls.

River: (8.25 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
CO checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot: 8.25 BB

Is this a value bet? Or take the free showdown?

[Vaftrudner]

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Is this a value bet? Or take the free showdown?

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value. /v

[DeezNutz3]

Yes, easy value bet in my opinion. You're hand improved and you want to check this, why?

[billyjex]

Because I'm a pansy.

But I'm working on it.

[justin]

no ones pointed out the fact that ur preflop play is terrible. jko is a garbage hand not worth a raise with 2 callers in front of you with the button or without the button. however definitely a value bet on the river. Its ez to fold to a raise

[Vaftrudner]

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jko is &lt;snip&gt;not worth a raise with 2 callers in front of you with the button

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yes it is. /v

[Kluddeludde]

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yes it is. /v

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I agree and I don't think it's close.

Kludde

[sthief09]

it's definitely close. it's player dependent. if they're loose, raise. if they're tight, limp. in the CO I'd always raise. with ATo, I'd always raise

[Fat Nicky]

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no ones pointed out the fact that ur preflop play is terrible. jko is a garbage hand not worth a raise with 2 callers in front of you with the button or without the button

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Against two limpers I raise everytime, unless I know one of the limpers is a rock.

[sfer]

Ask yourself if the second Q makes your hand more or less likely to be good.