AQo, I go all aggro in the BB against a Button's LRR.

[cockandbull]

i not sure if i like this yet or not. On one hand your taking control and doing everything you can to win a big pot, but how often do you see MP2 folding? I would think that more often than not he comes along which makes you turn play difficult unless you improve.

With regards to rating the options you have, first off folding sucks. Calling looks good first off, if you call your getting 17/2 to hit either a back door flush/staight. The straight draw is probably not clean, so if we allocate outs you have you've 1.5 for the flush + half a BDS so 0.75 + 2 queens and maybe 1.5 for you A. This gives you say 6 outs, more than enough to call. The problem with calling is that your giving other people odds to call and this could put you in a difficult decision on the turn.

If you 3 bet your cutting your odds down to 17/3, not really enough to draw. So your hoping MP2 folds and you get heads up with the button, who may already have you in a bad spot. I think i prefer this to calling/folding as you only have one person to worry about and its easier to make correct turn decisions. As the pot is so big, i dont think button will fold whatever he has. By betting you making sure that you get the max when ahead. It's also hard for the button to raise you without a monster due to the way you've played it.

This probably makes no sense at all, but good luck in trying to understand what im trying to say.

harry

[btspider]

this backdoor straight is worth .5 outs before discounts for splits, flushes, etc..

only open-ended 3 straights are worth 1.5 outs.

[cockandbull]

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How about calling the flop raise, collecting a few extra bets, and trying to isolate him on the turn?


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How many cards on the turn give you the chance to do this. Also i think its quite likely that once you call your going to be called by anyone with itchy fingers which is normally everyone at this limit. This again gives you turn problems cause your building an even bigger pot with a likely second best hand.

[cockandbull]

Tomorrows tasks include rereading SSH, cheers bt.

[LeftBack]

I think anytime you pair your kicker, you can play your overcards at face value. With the flush A, I think his overcards are worth 5, since he's now playing for two pair, considerably better than one pair, and with the BD flush draw I think he has at least 6.5 outs.

I especially like his implied odds with the flush draw (although I think the 3-bet shortchanged its value), so there's no way I'm folding this flop.

[kenberman]

I think flop/turn are fine, but I don't bet the river. It's too likely button caught something that he won't release for 1 bet, and my guess is he has you beat.

[btspider]

actually i don't think he talks about gapped backdoor straights. i just did some algebra one day to figure it out..

3 straight = 8 outs to OESD + 8 outs to gutshot = 1.5 outs
out to OESD = 2 * out to gutshot

thus: 24 gutshot outs = 1.5 effective outs

2 gap straight (AJT, etc) = 8 outs to a gutshot

24/1.5 == 8/x

X = value of 2 gap straight = .5 effective outs

[LeftBack]

Actually, he does on p.103.

No gap = 1.5
1 gap = 1.0
2 gap = 0.5

Lots of posters have been overlooking this little fact.

[Luke]

I haven't read the other responses but I like your play of this hand, start to finish.

You're obviously going to continue with the hand on the flop so you need to 3-bet and hope to fold some hands that are drawing very live against you in this BIG pot.

Luke

[PuckNPoker]

I like it except the river bet outside of knowing the guy would call down with 2nd or 3rd pair for a crying call. But this may be exactly the kind of value bet I am missing in my game. /shrug

To guess at what he has, QJo/QTo or more like a weak King holding (Kx)