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MP3 is TA pf, very aggressive postflop. MP3 may be a very good player. UTG+1 is LA pf, then normal postflop. Both are thinking players. Do I have a case of FPS?
Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (10 handed) converter Preflop: Hero is BB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. CO posts a blind of $2. <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 raises</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, Hero calls, UTG+1 calls. Flop: (7.50 SB) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font> Hero checks, UTG+1 checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, UTG+1 calls, MP3 calls. Turn: (6.75 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, UTG+1 calls, MP3 folds. River: (8.75 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 bets</font>, Hero calls. Final Pot: 10.75 BB |
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Uggg...I'm lukewarm on the flop check/raise, but the turn bet is worse. They're not going anywhere, just give up. I think it's worth it to see the turn, as you have 2 backdoors and two big overs. The more I think about it, the more I like the check raise, as you could clean up some outs and get it HU, although you'll be out of position. The river is atrocious, you must fold this.
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I was thinking that it was possible that this flop missed the PFR. With the nut BDFD, my plan was to c/r, get it HU, then take it down w/ a bet on the turn. Unfortunately UTG+1 called 2 cold. This led me to believe he either had the Jack or a flush draw. That being the reason I called the river bet.
So FPS it is! |
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Ralph:
The only hands you are ahead of (against a tight preflop player) on the flop are QK and ATs (maybe a few others, but not many). That flop missed you, and you aren't getting any better hands (or any hands that are a potential threat) to fold. You may just want to check-call the flop, and get aggressive on the turn if you improve, or check-fold the turn if you don't. Because you have 2 backdoor draws and overcards, a lot of cards can help you, and give you an opportunity for a strong semi-bluff if the right card (like a [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]) hits on the turn, along with the A/Q. I'd consider that route. Jon |
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This thread has the wrong name - it should be "AQo v PFR - missed everything and calling". I think the flop raise was fine, but the river call- awfull. If you were going to call why didn't you bet?
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I'm not at all saying I played this right, cuz seems like no one likes it. But I thought maybe my thought process was interesting/absurd, and I'd like to see it corrected.
[ QUOTE ] That flop missed you, and you aren't getting any better hands (or any hands that are a potential threat) to fold. [/ QUOTE ] They don't know it missed me. Anyhoo, these weren't two typically bad players. I thought there was a legit chance to take this down. I thought there was a better chance the PFR had AK, AQ, AT or KQ than a PP. So that (in addition to me having the A [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]) is why I made the move. [ QUOTE ] Because you have 2 backdoor draws and overcards, a lot of cards can help you, and give you an opportunity for a strong semi-bluff if the right card (like a ) hits on the turn, along with the A/Q. I'd consider that route. [/ QUOTE ] So you're saying, c/c the flop, then c/r the turn if I hit an A, Q, or [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]? I'm not sure if I like that. Why is that better? |
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I think the flop raise was fine [/ QUOTE ] Why? I don't know, seriously. [ QUOTE ] but the river call- awfull [/ QUOTE ] awfully good? Edit: I thought check/fold & check/call were better options then bet/fold. |
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I think the C/R is okay on the flop as well, as it might get you heads up with the PFR with two backdoor draws and two over cards. I would then lead out if improved on the turn (Q, A or heart) and check fold if a blank comes.
I really think the river is a no brainer fold here. UTG cold called on the flop for two bets, called a turn bet and wakes up on the river. You describe both players as being decent. You later post saying you think UTG had a J or flush draw which is where i totally lose your reasoning for the call. Do you think he is the type of player that bets the river with a busted draw (if you have notes on this or Agg-R stats, this is possible) or more likely to bet with at least the J? He would have to bet with a busted flush draw 9 out of every 10 times to make this profitable. I fold this on the river without a questions. And I would have checked the turn as well unimproved. |
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Muck or three-bet preflop. You either got enough or you don't.
Peace, Joe Tall |
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calling raises with AQ is often incorrect. you missed the flop, your betting like you have the nuts, why? any pair beats you, and AK still is ahead. you missed i don't understand the aggression.
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