A common situation...

DMBFan23 · #1 12-07-2004, 01:12 PM

Just wanted to see how most people handle this one. you've been at the table for a couple orbits, but not long enough to see how BB plays his blinds. reasonable player, 24/6 over about 90 hands.

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'Em (10 handed)

Hero is MP3 with J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
3 folds, MP1 limps, 1 fold, Hero Raises, 3 folds, BB calls, MP1 calls.

Flop (6 SB): Q [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
BB Bets, MP1 folds, Hero...?

call or raise?

how does it change if the Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] is instead the A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]?

beginner · #2 12-07-2004, 01:18 PM

I raise in both cases.

djoyce003 · #3 12-07-2004, 01:31 PM

I raise everytime. He might bet a 10 here, which you are ahead of. You've also got a backdoor no-gap straight draw plus your draw to your jacks. If he re-raises, then you have to re-assess but against a pre-flop raiser him reraising is not as likely. It would probably work as a free card play, or you could bet the turn if he checks to you and show down for free.

lu_hawk · #4 12-07-2004, 01:52 PM

Well with a raise the flop, bet the turn, check behind on the river line you will need to win 40% of the time to breakeven. But this is a board that probably hit a PFR and a reasonable player is betting into you on a 3-way flop and you don't even have top pair.

sfer · #5 12-07-2004, 02:09 PM

Call/call/call.

DMBFan23 · #6 12-07-2004, 02:24 PM

hey sfer,

this is the HU way ahead/way behind line, but with position, no?

do you call even if the turn or river brings a king or an ace? to fold automatically seems weak, but hmm...

DMBFan23 · #7 12-07-2004, 03:36 PM

anyone else just call it down?

Rah · #8 12-07-2004, 04:30 PM

If he's intending to call down anyhow, why not raise the flop, bet the turn and check behind on the river? It would cheaper and the other player might fold to a turn bet.

DMBFan23 · #9 12-07-2004, 05:17 PM

assuming that we are in a way ahead/behind situation doesn't this line make us less when AT stops betting?

sfer · #10 12-07-2004, 05:26 PM

It's not exactly way ahead/way behind. It's possibly ahead/way behind. The pot isn't so big I want to win right now, but not so small I want to give up. So I'd prefer calling unless the board goes crappy.

EDIT: But one thing is certainly true: if he's folding to a flop raise you didn't want him to fold.