Suicide?

[Biff M.]

I think it's all very player dependant. If it was me on the button I would have had A9 or two red overcards. My guess here however; no idea. Let's say the player is reasonable, Ad9d. Let's say regular player, 88.

[Crosby]

I'm surprised that most people are convinced the button has a 9 or overs/flush draw here. A bunch of limpers have checked to him on a 9-9-2 board. I can imagine a lot of bad players making this bet with all sorts of hands. It seems like the more pressing reason to fold is your 8s are too easily beaten if ahead. Hypothetically speaking, if I held JJ and was suddenly in the same situation, I would definitely shove.

[zephyr]

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (9 handed)

Hero (t715)
CO (t590)
Button (t590)
SB (t345)
BB (t1840)
UTG (t905)
UTG+1 (t1050)
MP1 (t1045)
MP2 (t920)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="666666">2 folds</font>, MP1 calls t30, <font color="666666">1 fold</font>, Hero calls t30, CO calls t30, Button calls t30, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (t180) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(6 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, MP1 checks, Hero checks, CO checks, <font color="CC3333">Button bets t200</font>, SB folds, BB folds, MP1 folds, <font color="CC3333">Hero raises to t685 (All-In)</font>, CO folds, Button calls t360 (All-In).

Turn: (t1425) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(2 players, 2 all-in)</font>

River: (t1425) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(2 players, 2 all-in)</font>

Final Pot: t1425
<font color="green">Main Pot: t1300 (t1300), between Hero and Button.</font> &gt; <font color="white">Pot won by Hero (t1300).</font>
<font color="green">Pot 2: t125 (t125), returned to Hero.</font>

Results in white below: <font color="white">
Hero has 8h 8d (two pair, nines and eights).
Button has 3d 3h (two pair, nines and threes).
Outcome: Hero wins t1425. </font>

[tigerite]

The guy was a complete clown to call you with 33. I think in most cases here you are beaten, or at the very least behind to a strong draw. I'm dumbfounded that he called all-in when virtually any two cards were ahead of him here.

[zephyr]

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I think in most cases here you are beaten, or at the very least behind to a strong draw.

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I'd have to disagree, in most cases I'm up against 33-77 (30 hands), TT-JJ (12 hands). I think he's bluffing here more often than he's holding two overcard hearts (10 hands).

He holds a 2 here a reasonable amount of the time aswell.

Typically a bluff, a 2, or 33-77, would lay down here.

Only my opinion,

Zephyr