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(KK) 3-bet 4 players AAJ All checked to you
Hello my 2+2 Mentors,
I have pocket KK! The table is loose and passive. UTG+2== 72% VP$IP 0% PFR He's been at the table for about 70 hands // I figured I can outplay him. UTG+1 just joined the table 8 hands ago and has a VP$IP/PFR of 0/0 I guess he's been tight and passive so far but I have too little data on him. UTG is 35%/5.88% VP$IP/PFR I have 35 hands on him so far. Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (10 handed) I 3 bet preflop. Preflop: Hero is MP2 with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. UTG calls, <font color="CC3333">UTG+1 raises</font>, UTG+2 calls, MP1 folds, <font color="CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, MP3 folds, CO folds, Button folds, SB folds, BB folds, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls. Everyone checks to me when the flop was AAJ.... I look at the 13.5 sb in there. So I bet. Is this stupid agressive??? Flop: (13.50 SB) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(4 players)</font> UTG checks, UTG+1 checks, UTG+2 checks, <font color="CC3333">Hero bets</font>, UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls. // 2 call, no raises.... I figure they are waiting or I'm beat? Turn: (8.25 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(3 players)</font> UTG+1 checks, <font color="CC3333">UTG+2 bets</font>, <font color="CC3333">Hero raises</font>, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls. 8.25 BB... Is it worth 8 to 1 to bet here? UTG+1 stays with 72% of anything... River: (14.25 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(3 players)</font> UTG+1 checks, <font color="CC3333">UTG+2 bets</font>, Hero calls, UTG+1 calls. // I bet because i figured these rags falling can't be helping anyone can they????? Final Pot: 17.25 BB |
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Re: (KK) 3-bet 4 players AAJ All checked to you
flop bet is good.
i was going to suggest checking the turn and calling a river bet, but it sucks that you were bet into. the raise accomplishes nothing. call down or fold if you think you will be good 1 time in 6.. (getting 10.25:2 to calldown assuming the other guy folds). |
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Re: (KK) 3-bet 4 players AAJ All checked to you
UTG+2 is passive, and he is betting into considerable strength here. A lot of players that call a lot of bets on the flop and then fire into the turn are holding a monster hand and are too timid to 3-bet (likewise with passives/weak-tights that stop and go). UTG+2 almost surely has an ace, so I would fold the turn.
Brad |
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Re: (KK) 3-bet 4 players AAJ All checked to you
As background the UTG+2 player is the button in this following hand.
It occured a couple of orbits before the hand above. Do the button's actions make any sense to you? Would you have 3 bet the river to a K showing? Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (10 handed) Preflop: Hero is BB with T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. MP2 posts a blind of $0.5. UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 folds, MP1 folds, MP2 (poster) checks, MP3 calls, CO folds, Button calls, SB completes, Hero checks. Flop: (6 SB) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(6 players)</font> SB checks, <font color="CC3333">Hero bets</font>, UTG+1 calls, MP2 folds, MP3 calls, Button calls, SB folds. Turn: (5 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(4 players)</font> <font color="CC3333">Hero bets</font>, UTG+1 calls, MP3 calls, Button calls. River: (9 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(4 players)</font> <font color="CC3333">Hero bets</font>, UTG+1 folds, MP3 calls, <font color="CC3333">Button raises</font>, <font color="CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, MP3 folds, Button calls. Final Pot: 16 BB |
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Re: (KK) 3-bet 4 players AAJ All checked to you
I think the raise accomplishes nothing I either call it down or fold. Interestingly I had a very similar hand to this when I had 99 in MP
Early Position calls I call, everyone folds, SB completes BB checks flop is something like AA7, checked to me, I bet, BB calls, everyone else folds. Turn is another A, check, bet, call. River is a rag, check, bet, call. He flips over KK and I make a note of this guy playing uber passive. (Which ofcourse I didn't even pay attention to on a later hand and cost myself a big bet.) |
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Re: (KK) 3-bet 4 players AAJ All checked to you
[ QUOTE ]
As background the UTG+2 player is the button in this following hand. It occured a couple of orbits before the hand above. Do the button's actions make any sense to you? Would you have 3 bet the river to a K showing? Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (10 handed) Preflop: Hero is BB with T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. MP2 posts a blind of $0.5. UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 folds, MP1 folds, MP2 (poster) checks, MP3 calls, CO folds, Button calls, SB completes, Hero checks. Flop: (6 SB) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(6 players)</font> SB checks, <font color="CC3333">Hero bets</font>, UTG+1 calls, MP2 folds, MP3 calls, Button calls, SB folds. Turn: (5 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(4 players)</font> <font color="CC3333">Hero bets</font>, UTG+1 calls, MP3 calls, Button calls. River: (9 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(4 players)</font> <font color="CC3333">Hero bets</font>, UTG+1 folds, MP3 calls, <font color="CC3333">Button raises</font>, <font color="CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, MP3 folds, Button calls. Final Pot: 16 BB [/ QUOTE ] Here the Button has AA so you're right he underplays his hands like crazy. |
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