Flopped the nuts with heavy action

pyroponic · #1 12-01-2004, 10:00 PM

I'm assuming I played this hand right and I just got unlucky. Good call with the flush draw on board?

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $0.5 BB (9 handed)

saw flop|saw showdown

CO ($10.4)
Button ($22.91)
SB ($32.65)
Hero ($25)
UTG ($24.5)
UTG+1 ($24.5)
MP1 ($136.2)
MP2 ($53.08)
MP3 ($30.5)

Preflop: Hero is BB with T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG calls $0.50, UTG+1 folds, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, MP3 folds, CO calls $0.50, Button calls $0.50, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: ($2.50) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (5 players)
SB bets $2, Hero raises to $5, UTG raises to $24 (All-In), CO folds, Button folds, SB raises to $32.15 (All-In), Hero calls $19.50 (All-In).

Turn: ($83.15) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players, 3 all-in)

River: ($83.15) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players, 3 all-in)

Final Pot: $83.15
Main Pot: $74.50, between SB, Hero and UTG. > Pot won by UTG ($74.50).
Pot 2: $1, between SB and Hero. > Pot won by Hero ($1).
Pot 3: $7.65, returned to SB.

Results in white below: 
SB has As Ac (one pair, aces).
Hero has Ts Qs (straight, king high).
UTG has Qh Th (flush, king high).
Outcome: UTG wins $74.50. SB wins $7.65. Hero wins $1.

Sephus · #2 12-01-2004, 10:10 PM

i would have raised more on the flop. youre making him call $3 more when there's $9.50 in the pot, probably more if/when you get more callers. you have the nuts but you're a little vulnerable.

i dunno why youre asking about the call though, there aren't many occasions in holdem when you should fold the nuts, and i can't think of ANY when the pot is multiway.

TOmCowley · #3 12-01-2004, 10:20 PM

You have to call that. You know you might be up against a flush draw, but it's going to miss most of the time and you're getting 2:1 that it won't. It's just unfortunate that you walked into a guy with your same hand who was freerolling a flush draw on you.

Even if you knew the exact hands, the call is still +EV because of the almost dead money from AA. Your pot win rate is 0.3 (from splitting 60% of the time) and you're getting 3:1 on your money (your call will be .25 of the pot you can win), so it's +EV. Even if the guy had top set instead of AA, the call is barely -EV, and there are a LOT of situations where it's way more +EV to call.

pyroponic · #4 12-01-2004, 10:20 PM

Yeah, I probably should have priced out the draw a little more plus I had position. I figure I was going to milk this one a little bit. BTW, I was wondering if you were at the Finance/Investment Club meeting today?

Sephus · #5 12-01-2004, 11:55 PM

didnt do [censored] today.

pyroponic · #6 12-01-2004, 11:59 PM

Yeah it was the first day meeting and like I think 150+ people showed up. B-school fags! LOL =)