hand a buddy played - AQs

schwza · #1 12-01-2004, 03:36 PM

the notes for the SB say "moron"

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CO ($56)
Hero ($27.25)
SB ($22.72)
BB ($10.75)
UTG ($32.13)
MP ($25)

Preflop: Hero is Button with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. MP posts a blind of $0.5.
1 fold, MP (poster) checks, CO calls $0.50, Hero raises to $3, SB raises to $5.5, 1 fold, MP calls $5, CO folds, Hero raises to $15, SB raises to $22.72 (All-In), MP calls $17.22, Hero calls $7.72.

Flop: ($69.16) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players, 1 all-in)
MP bets $2.28 (All-In), Hero calls $2.28.

Turn: ($73.72) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players, 2 all-in)

River: ($73.72) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players, 2 all-in)

Final Pot: $73.72
Main Pot: $69.16, between Hero, SB and MP.
Pot 2: $4.56, between Hero and MP.

amoeba · #2 12-01-2004, 03:45 PM

I don't understand why you try to get it all in preflop with AQs.

why not call the 5.5 raise?

kuro · #3 12-01-2004, 03:53 PM

Preflop: Why re-re-raise to 15 instead of just paying another 2.50 to see the flop? He's just got AQ and it's going to miss the flop like 1 in 3 times. You've got two callers that probably have premium hands.

Not much else you can say about this.

schwza · #4 12-01-2004, 04:03 PM

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Preflop: Why re-re-raise to 15 instead of just paying another 2.50 to see the flop? He's just got AQ and it's going to miss the flop like 1 in 3 times. You've got two callers that probably have premium hands.

Not much else you can say about this.

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what makes this play not open-and-shut-bad is that the reraiser has shown himself to be a moron. otherwise reraising would obviously be wrong.

amoeba · #5 12-01-2004, 04:12 PM

yes, we realize the villain's moron status but for example, reraising with Kj or 22-88 preflop constitutes a moronic move.

AQ is not a big favorite over any of these hands. and seeing as how if he is a moron, your rereraise probably has no folding equity, you are basically going in on a coinflip, oftentimes with you being slight dog.

If you had TT or JJ instead of AQ, the rereraise to 15 doesn't look as bad.

Pokerho · #6 12-01-2004, 04:16 PM

I've learned the hard way before.... even morons get bullets and cowboys.

Raiser · #7 12-01-2004, 04:28 PM

The only reason I'm not behind your play is because MP looks like he isn't going anywhere. Heads up vs. a moron with AQs is okay in my book, but you don't want the other guy in there too.

bunky9590 · #8 12-01-2004, 04:41 PM

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the notes for the SB say "moron"

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My notes on your buddy would be very similar.

ML4L · #9 12-01-2004, 07:11 PM

Not "good" or orthadox, but not "bad."

ML4L

LokiV · #10 12-01-2004, 07:31 PM

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Not "good" or orthadox, but not "bad."

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That depends on how much of an edge you demand, eh? Or rather, how much variability you can handle. I wouldn't do what this person did and get angry/feel cheated if I lost. Did this person ever consider they could outplay 'the moron' postflop? That is how I abuse them, not in preflop all ins.