should I have dumped this?

kleinstadt1 · #1 11-28-2004, 05:12 PM

I've yet to see a 1/2 game with a VPIP <19% lately...

Party Poker 1/2 Hold'em (9 handed)

Preflop: Hero is SB with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, MP2 folds, MP3 folds, CO raises, Button calls, Hero calls, BB calls, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls.

Flop: (12 SB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (6 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG+1 checks, MP1 checks, CO bets, Button calls, Hero raises, BB folds, UTG+1 3-bets, MP1 folds, CO calls, Button folds, Hero calls.

Turn: (11 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 bets, CO folds, Hero calls.

River: (13 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 15 BB
Main Pot: 15 BB, between UTG+1 and Hero.

toss · #2 11-28-2004, 05:19 PM

Bet the flop straight out. Calling down depends on your read of UTG. Given his action on the flop, I think a fold on the turn wouldn't have been so bad.

JDErickson · #3 11-28-2004, 05:27 PM

What is your read of UTG+1. Normal loose players won't check 3 bet the flop with a set. They will wait until the turn.

If he is a decent play then I think a turn muck is ok.

Corkscrew · #4 11-28-2004, 05:52 PM

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Given his action on the flop, I think a fold on the turn wouldn't have been so bad.

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Interestingly enough, I was the CO in this hand. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Hopefully this doesn't screw up the advice you get, but I had A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], and this was my exact reasoning for folding the turn. I suspected one of the two of you had a set, and I was leaning towards UTG+1 having it because he usually wasn't that aggressive postflop.

topspin · #5 11-28-2004, 06:01 PM

Does anyone else toss this preflop, or is that just me?

shadow29 · #6 11-28-2004, 06:14 PM

I don't think calling a raise from the SB w/ KQo is incorrect.

It really depends on your read of the player.

topspin · #7 11-28-2004, 06:44 PM

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I don't think calling a raise from the SB w/ KQo is incorrect. It really depends on your read of the player.

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We're in poor shape against virtually all raising hands and have terrible position. The only exception that comes to my mind is if we think the raiser is LAG raising any two; then we should 3-bet.

In what other situations would a call be correct?

shadow29 · #8 11-28-2004, 06:52 PM

Well, I disagree with your premise. The typical raising hand at .5/1 is not a hand that dominates KQo. You have people raising everything from AA to rags. I think that KQ is a hand with which you want to see a flop-- you have high card strength and straightening possibilities. If you flop a Q or a K you will know right away where you stand- you bet, he raises. Okay, info granted.

kleinstadt1 · #9 11-28-2004, 07:04 PM

Here was my thinking: it'll probably get checked around to the pre-flop raiser, he'll bet, and I'll raise to limit the field (big pot, don't want anyone drawing out on me with Q5o or something like that). Is this incorrect?

kleinstadt1 · #10 11-28-2004, 07:07 PM

I put him on a set too, but I figured the pot was too big to not call it down. Is this the right play? Maybe not at this limit, but at .5/1 I would.