Help! I can't even club the baby seals in Party .5/1 and Crypto 1/2

[derick]

Hello my 2+2 mentors,

Despite the great help I've been getting from you guys (or girls) I still can't beat the Party .5/1 and the Crypto 1/2.

This should be EASY.

I'd like to check in and see if there is anything that I should be doing to improve my game that I'm not already doing? How do I find leaks in my game?



4 month update:My poker career took a major beating yesterday. But thanks to bonuses I'm still ahead.

Total Hands 6313

VP$IP 18.61
VP$ In from SB 33.99
Folded SB to steal 77.76
Folded BB to steal 88.00
Att to steal blinds 20.00
Won$ WSF % 27.46
Amount won ($166)
BB/100 (1.10)
Went To SD % 30.55
Wond $ at SD % 51.14
PF Raise % 6.59
Total rake 161

Aggression Factor*

Flop 2.45
Turn 2.46
River 2.10

Folded to River Bet 47.20

CCPF 27


I just lost 100 BB at the Party .5/1 yesterday.
Last month I also lost 60 BB at the 1/2 Crypto sites.

Grabbing bonuses has grown my bankroll to about $600 from it's initial $200 despite my bad play.

I'm working my way through the RELOADNOV and NOVREL bonuses on Party. I'll probably gain $200 in bonuses but lose $150 in stupid plays.


I think I'm playing almost perfect preflop (just following SSH exactly)

I really suck postflop.


Playing live at the Casino 2/5 limit I've won about $450 over the last 5 visits. I enjoy live play much more than online. I've lost about $143 in a nolimit home game and Lost $80 in a dealers choice home game.

I've finished reading the Clarkmeister 5 books!(WLLH,HEPFAP,SSH,TOP,MLH). Next I plan to read ITH and the reread SSH about 5 times.

I'm tracking and reviewing all my bad plays in PokerTracker.

Anything that I should be doing that I'm not already doing to improve my play? How do I find leaks in my play?

Thanks.

[Shilly]

This could be just an issue of variance. 6k hands is still a small sample size to make an real good judgment on your play.

Use PT to look at specific hands you seem to lose with. Are you going to far with pocket pairs? Playing weak hands out of position? If you take a while to look at this, you might be able to identify some leaks.

[Freakin]

Well, you really should carefully examine your PF play before you say its perfect. Check your VP$IP and pfr, as well as your CCPF%. Though your sample size is small, i've recently been corrected that they converge quickly, so even 6k hands can be enough to examine. Look for a VP$IP around 15-20%, PFR from 6-10%, and CCPF% as low as humanly possible. It's in the position stats of PT. Over .2 or .3% is much much too high, as you should rarely cold call PF. Once you've stopped getting yourself into post flop trouble because of PF decisions, start posting hands. A LOT of hands. Post hands where you had overpairs, hands against 3-flush, hands with unimproved overcards, hands where you flopped a set, TPTK, TPWK. Especially post hands where you felt like you did something wrong, not just where you were soundly beaten. I doubt your PF play is perfect yet, and I doubt anyone's post flop play is perfect. So start spending a couple hours a day in the micro reading and posting and see where that takes you. It's entirely possible you're just having an incredibly unlucky start, as downswings can certainly last for 10k hands or more. Posting hands is a great way to find out how you played.

Freakin

*EDIT* Were those stats there 10 minutes ago, or were those included with the last edit? What kind of hands are you completing from the SB? I may be wrong, but that percentage seems a little high (could easily be variance). Completing a hand you shoudn't have can quickly get you into trouble because you can be dominated AND out of position (one of these is avoidable).


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Get a free flatscreen. It's no 2001FP, but it will do.

[uuDevil]

Nothing in your stats stands out to me. A lot of your results could be explained by variance-- maybe you are just running bad.

But since you lost so much at once, I wouldn't be surprised if you were on tilt. Even if you aren't throwing things around the room, it is oh-so-easy to start making bad decisions when things aren't going well. Maybe you start limping with marginal hands. Or let your aggression slip. Or call flop bets or raises with questionable odds. Tilt can turn a bad session into a nightmare.

You have a good plan to improve your play. Don't ignore the psychological aspect.

[derick]

Thank you for the thoughtful replies. It's great that you people help beginners out like this!

I think I'm weak on many of the post flop things you people mentioned.

I'm going to take your advice and start posting/reading the micro forum here.

Post flop areas that I'm weak in.

1. I think I take pocket pairs too far. esp TT, JJ, QQ, AQ, AK.
2. I need to get better at handling the 2 flush flops and 3 flush turns/rivers.
3. I think I raise/call too much with just top pair/overcards on the turn/river. I stupidly raise to try to bully weak players expecting them to fold rather than just show them a hand.


Things like:


Seat 1 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 2: wrskvill ( $38.75 )
Seat 3: pphawk ( $7 )
Seat 4: orabian ( $11.7 )
Seat 7: Otegofred ( $21.25 )
Seat 8: Auntbeebrn ( $66.88 )
Seat 9: Derick ( $30.25 )
Seat 10: dmwheatl ( $28.75 )
Seat 5: DiPaul ( $26 )
Seat 1: DevilVoice ( $17 )
Seat 6: Diva28 ( $24.5 )
wrskvill posts small blind [$0.25].
pphawk posts big blind [$0.5].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Derick [ Kh Kc ]
orabian folds.
DiPaul calls [$0.5].
Diva28 folds.
Otegofred folds.
Auntbeebrn calls [$0.5].
Derick raises [$1].
dmwheatl folds.
DevilVoice folds.
wrskvill folds.
pphawk calls [$0.5].
DiPaul calls [$0.5].
Auntbeebrn calls [$0.5].
** Dealing Flop ** [ 2c, 9s, Ad ]
pphawk checks.
DiPaul checks.
Auntbeebrn checks.
Derick bets [$0.5].
pphawk folds.
DiPaul raises [$1].
Auntbeebrn folds.
Derick calls [$0.5].
** Dealing Turn ** [ Qd ]
DiPaul bets [$1].
Derick folds. // Lots of the time I raise or call here and the river.
DiPaul does not show cards.
DiPaul wins $6.75

[helpmeout]

PFR way to low get it to 9
you want to raise AJo 99 ATs KQo and above in unraised pots, in late position you can raise many more.

folded BB to steal that seems way too high, defend with any Ace, pocket pair, even suited connectors, 2 high cards

WWSF is insanely low may be a result of bad cards and bad luck

WTSD seems very low my figures are around 35% so you might be folding too many good drawing hands or TPTK type hands against turn raises.

folded to river bet 47 might be a bit high.

Post hands in micro limits and read many of the suggestions on certain types of hands.

[madmisha]

Based on you aggression factor, you might be calling too much and not betting/raising. Also I think you are probably folding some winners to a bet on the river.

[SomethingClever]

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CCPF 27


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What hands are you cold-calling with? Knock it off!

[derick]

Thanks very much for all your replies,

I printed them out and stuck them on my monitor.

I think they helped my games, here's the changes since my first post.


Total Hands 6313 -> 7504

VP$IP 18.61 -> 18.30
VP$ In from SB 33.99 -> 32.71
Folded SB to steal 77.76 -> 80.00
Folded BB to steal 88.00 -> 86.21
Att to steal blinds 20.00 -> 20.89
Won $ WSF % 27.46 -> 27.23 // What should this number be like?
Amount won ($166) ->(125.21)
BB/100 (1.10) -> (0.37)
Went To SD % 30.55 -> 30.29
Won $ at SD % 51.14 -> 52.66
PF Raise % 6.59 -> 6.70
Total rake 161 -> 193.75 // looks like I need to set up and affiliate

Aggression Factor*

Flop 2.45 -> 2.56
Turn 2.46 -> 2.59
River 2.10 -> 2.13

Folded to River Bet 47.20 -> 46.59

CCPF 27 -> 33 (0.44%)

// I'm cold calling pre flop with AQs, AJs, KQs, and (small pair and QJs, JTs, T9s in late position)


What do you think? Thanks for all your help.

I just finished completing the Pokernow and Party reload bonuses.
Now I'm off to try the Paradise and Ultimate bet Thanksgiving reload bonuses if my money comes out of Pokernow back to Neteller in time. I've never tried Pokerroom but they are running a bonus too.


Cheers

Derick

[uuDevil]

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I think they helped my games, here's the changes since my first post.

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Just remember that any "changes" could be random variation. This is a very small number of hands.

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Won $ WSF % 27.46 -> 27.23 // What should this number be like?

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This will be tend to be higher the tighter you play. This seems in line w/ your vp$ip. I wouldn't fixate too much on these kinds of things. Stats are fun to think/talk about, but not necessarily very meaningful.

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/ I'm cold calling pre flop with AQs, AJs, KQs, and (small pair and QJs, JTs, T9s in late position)


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From SSH, remember you need 3 people in (counting the raiser) to cc with the last group of hands.