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Old 11-24-2004, 08:05 AM
nepenthe nepenthe is offline
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Default A T suited on the Button.

Typical Party 3/6 game. No particular reads this time around.

5 limpers to me and I raise with A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]T [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] on the Button. Blinds fold, limpers call. 6 to the flop.

Flop: 5 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]6 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]7 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

Checked to MP who bets out. CO folds. I call. 2 other early position limpers call. 4 to the turn.

Turn: 6 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

MP checks to me so I bet. Both early limpers call. MP check-raises. I call. Both limpers call.

River: J [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

Checked to MP who bets. I call. Both early limpers fold.
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Old 11-24-2004, 08:22 AM
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Default Re: A T suited on the Button.

Looks good to me.
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Old 11-24-2004, 10:36 AM
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Default Re: A T suited on the Button.

Everyone in agreement with the turn / river calls? [img]/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img]
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Old 11-24-2004, 10:54 AM
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Default Re: A T suited on the Button.

I'd raise the flop because I always seem to get a ton of action when I raise the flop, but I don't mind you waiting to the turn here.

I think you have to 3-bet the turn. You'd be surprised how often at least one of them calls here, and basically even if they both fold, the times that they do call and MP 3-bets and you they're trapped again make up for when one of them folds. It would be easier to play the turn if you had raised the flop, or if you had some reads.
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Old 11-24-2004, 11:02 AM
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Default Re: A T suited on the Button.

3-bet the turn. Don't be so quick to put your opponent on a fullhouse. If he caps, simply just call the river.
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Old 11-24-2004, 11:07 AM
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Default Re: A T suited on the Button.

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3-bet the turn. Don't be so quick to put your opponent on a fullhouse. If he caps, simply just call the river.

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The reason for not 3-betting the turn is that he wants overcalls, not that he particularly fears a full house, although that is a factor because the worst case scenario is that you force out the others and get 3-bet by a better hand, whereas without the pair on board if you get 3-bet it's obviously much easier to play.
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Old 11-24-2004, 11:20 AM
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Default Re: A T suited on the Button.

Thanks for pointing this out. Overcalls are something I need to think about more often in my game.
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Old 11-24-2004, 04:51 PM
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MP tabled K [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8 (OMG he actually had outs) [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] and said "OMG" after I tabled. OMG.

I thought the river was a close decision between calling and raising, since the other limpers did not appear to have anything (their 1-card flushes and straight draws have all missed), but I thought there was enough chance of a FH to make the calldown.

*Addendum: Is the cost of losing a BB or so I would have gained from MP by raising somewhere in this spot is outweighed by the psychological edge of taking away something MP was absolutely convinced was his by the time the last bet went in the pot?
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