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Old 11-19-2004, 06:29 PM
DonkeyKong DonkeyKong is offline
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Default Stu Ungar Suck-Out? 1997 WSOP Final Hand

Stack sizes:
Strzemp: ~900k
Ungar: ~1.8mm... (estimate)

Ungar holds A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
John Strzemp holds A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

Ungar raises to $40k
Strzemp calls

$124k in pot
Flop A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

Strzemp bets $120k
Ungar raises to $800k
Strzemp calls (Strzemp is all-in)

Total Pot: $1.85mm
Turn 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
River 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

Ungar makes wheel...

Ungar had 7 outs with 2 cards to come...

Does Ungar lay it down or just call without the inside straight draw?
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Old 11-19-2004, 06:35 PM
ToledoTommy ToledoTommy is offline
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Default Re: Stu Ungar Suck-Out? 1997 WSOP Final Hand

I think Stuey would have called with any Ace in that spot regardless of the inside straight draw.
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Old 11-19-2004, 06:35 PM
SossMan SossMan is offline
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Default Re: Stu Ungar Suck-Out? 1997 WSOP Final Hand

with the aggressiveness that Unger typically showed, this hand played itself. Unger was only about 57% to actually lose the hand when the money went in. He had about 35% equity.
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Old 11-19-2004, 07:51 PM
PassiveCaller PassiveCaller is offline
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Default Re: Stu Ungar Suck-Out? 1997 WSOP Final Hand

definitely played itself.. this one didnt get all that deep.
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Old 11-19-2004, 08:31 PM
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Default Re: Stu Ungar Suck-Out? 1997 WSOP Final Hand

regardless he said he had a vision of winning the series with a wheel and then here comes the perfect flop. I think because he was known as the ultimate gambler even if he is shown the A8 he calls and trusts his "vision" of the wheel.
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Old 11-19-2004, 08:51 PM
PassiveCaller PassiveCaller is offline
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Default Re: Stu Ungar Suck-Out? 1997 WSOP Final Hand

i don't doubt this.. and if he did have a vision of winning it with a wheel i guess this was how to play it ;-)
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Old 11-20-2004, 07:13 PM
Hofzinser Hofzinser is offline
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Default Re: Stu Ungar Suck-Out? 1997 WSOP Final Hand

Notice also that after the turn card paired the board, 32 of the remaining 44 cards in the deck would have given Ungar at least a split of the pot.
So although he was an underdog on the flop, he'd have to have got pretty unlucky to have lost the hand after the turn came down.
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Old 11-26-2004, 01:26 AM
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Default Re: Stu Ungar Suck-Out? 1997 WSOP Final Hand

I dont think Stu wouldve layed it down without the inside straight draw. The Inside straight draw was the reason he re-raised big on a semibluffed. Maybe w/o the draw he wouldve only raise 100k or so to find out were he was at. But Stu was a master reader and felt weakness from his opponent.
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