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Old 11-17-2004, 07:02 PM
Shillx Shillx is offline
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Default Re: Is this one of those times I should check behind on the turn?

I would strongly consider raising a river bet if a K-J comes off, otherwise I agree that calling is better.

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Old 11-17-2004, 07:03 PM
TripleH68 TripleH68 is offline
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Default Re: Is this one of those times I should check behind on the turn?

I had a similar situation the other day at PS $3-6...with the flush draw.

AA one from the cutoff. Open raise only BB calls.

Flop: J [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]J [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]4 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
BB bets, raise, call.

Turn: 8 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
BB checks, bet, BB raises, call.

River: K [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
BB bets, raise, BB calls.

BB mucked and hand history showed 99. I wondered if my play was good or not as I watched the chips stack...
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Old 11-17-2004, 07:22 PM
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Default Re: Is this one of those times I should check behind on the turn?

i think the argument against betting against a good player is... what is he calling that flop with? it's pretty devoid of draws...
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Old 11-17-2004, 07:22 PM
TripleH68 TripleH68 is offline
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Default Re: Is this one of those times I should check behind on the turn?

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I don't have my copy here at work but I think this line is discussed in HPFAP. Against thinking players this is a good line. Against typical Party $2/4 players I don't like it at all as you will get called here by all sorts of crap hands that you are crushing.

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Well put.
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Old 11-18-2004, 12:47 AM
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Default Re: Is this one of those times I should check behind on the turn?

Against an unknown Party 2/4 player you have to bet the turn because he'll call with all sorts of junk.

Against a good player you should probably still bet because he will call you down with a pocket pair, which is a prime calling hand preflop in the BB heads up against the PFR. Pocket pairs are a lot of hands and you probably lose a bet by not going after him when he has one.

Trips is not such a likely hand because he needs his kicker to relate to his ten in some way that justifies the preflop call. Probably that means suited and of reasonable size. The other issue about trips or a boat is he cannot expect you to bet the turn with overcards and you probably won't call the checkraise either. That makes a turn checkraise a problematic line of play for him to adopt. He'll only try it a fraction of the times he has a monster.
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